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      11-03-2016, 07:56 AM   #45
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Doing 20k a year in a M car would kill its GFV. More so than a big soot chucker.
True. Would = does! Hence even with a substantial deposit my monthlies would be prohibitively high.

Far too many financial negatives sadly.
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I posted above I can't see a more suitable car than a 335d for my situation. This thread has forced me to apply actual (not man!) maths to fuel consumption. I know there are other factors but this is the one I tend to focus on most.

My 4 year PCP is set at 25,000 miles a year. Since I signed it my mileage is less, I kid myself I'll get away with 18,000 when researching deals, but in truth let's say I do 20,000. I don't record it, but certainly sounds ballpark.

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So at 38mpg I consume 2,392 litres a year which at £120p/litre is £2,870/year in diesel.

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(I know we're talking 340i here but similar albeit more favourable principles apply)
If say I got a car that averaged 23mpg (a work colleague's M4 does that) the fuel only cost would be (20,000/23 x 4.546) x £1.19 = £4,704/year.

So extra over cost in fuel is £1,458/year = £153 a month. Under three fillups really.

Funny thing is, until now I had a figure of an extra £250/month in my head.This got me thinking maybe I should reconsider taking the plunge. But being in sensible mode I then proceeded to piss on my own fireworks.

The extra monthlies on an M3 would be £350/month so that's £500 a month = £6,000/year. Gross of tax that's a £10k pay cut (I haven't forgotten tyres/servicing/insurance etc too so it gets worse)

I'll bet plenty on here have run these numbers in their heads, so thought I'd share.

Summary: stick with 335d.
You'd think everyone does but there's plenty people who want something so bad that they take the plunge and then they're changing cars before you know it.
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      11-03-2016, 08:34 AM   #47
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Is this not simply common sense:

If your top priority is mpg then neither the x40i or the x35d are your best option - Nissan leaf or the 3e range. but tbh I find the mpg calculations laughable / mornic we are taking about 30-45k cars the mpg figures are largely irrelevant (lost in the noise and deprecation and even a few options) unless you are doing monster milage. If you are doing the maths on mpg maybe you cannot really afford the car in the first place and should buy something cheaper.

If you are doing 10k or less in terms of mileage a x35d would be a poor choice IMO if you are keeping the car long term if you change every 3 years pick the car that is most fun.

Personal I don't race people or do 0 to 60 runs every day so could not give 2 shits which is faster as it is completely irrelevant. For me it is all about how much fun the car is to drive. I love my 30d but I find it souless and boring to drive and have lost all interest in it, it has even been through the auto car wash a few times.

So for me if I was doing 20k get the 35d less than 10k get the 40i it is miles more fun. and if you really need the extra 0.0002 seconds to 60 (for size compensation) get neither as there are better options from Audio/porsche the list goes on.
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      11-03-2016, 08:34 AM   #48
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Cant advise on swapping orders but Id stick with the 335d.
A much better engine for a family sized estate, plus fuel prices are at a 15 mth high and rising with the knackered £. That said, the 6 cyl petrol is a fabulous engine. I test drove it in a 340i saloon. However, if I were going for that engine, and I did low mileage, Id get it in an M140i or a 440i coupe where its best suited, IMHO.
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      11-03-2016, 10:36 AM   #49
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Cant advise on swapping orders but Id stick with the 335d.
A much better engine for a family sized estate, plus fuel prices are at a 15 mth high and rising with the knackered £. That said, the 6 cyl petrol is a fabulous engine. I test drove it in a 340i saloon. However, if I were going for that engine, and I did low mileage, Id get it in an M140i or a 440i coupe where its best suited, IMHO.
Yes, I think Tengocity also made the point that fundamentally an estate is a workhorse - and therefore well suited to the diesel - and being honest that was also part of my thought process when I went for a 335d over a 335i (which was the petrol alternative at the time I bought my F31).

I certainly understand the view that petrol is best suited to a low mileage fun car but the only thing I'd say in the context of a 3-series Touring is that I don't think the 335d is especially economical either. If minimising fuel bills and/or maximising range is your objective you're probably better with a 320d.....
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Yes, I think Tengocity also made the point that fundamentally an estate is a workhorse - and therefore well suited to the diesel - and being honest that was also part of my thought process when I went for a 335d over a 335i (which was the petrol alternative at the time I bought my F31).

I certainly understand the view that petrol is best suited to a low mileage fun car but the only thing I'd say in the context of a 3-series Touring is that I don't think the 335d is especially economical either. If minimising fuel bills and/or maximising range is your objective you're probably better with a 320d.....
335d economy depends massively on driving conditions. I do virtually no urban driving with 80%+ mostly motorway driiving obeying speed limits. After 13k I'm averaging 49.5mpg.
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How much HP did you gain by remapping that 2 litre engine? I'd be interested to do that if it doesn't cost too much.
184 bhp to 235 bhp.
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      11-03-2016, 11:08 AM   #52
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I'm getting just over 25mpg from my 340i and it only has 200 miles on it, that's on a 10 mile run of mixed roads, I'd be surprised if you got the same on a longer run, by comparison the 335d did 30mpg on the exact same run, of the 5 BMW's Iíve had this is the only one I really enjoy driving
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335d economy depends massively on driving conditions. I do virtually no urban driving with 80%+ mostly motorway driiving obeying speed limits. After 13k I'm averaging 49.5mpg.
I think for most cars economy varies significantly depending on how and where you drive. An average of 49.5mpg is certainly impressive from a 335d but in that situation I suggest you'd be getting over 40mpg out of a 340i; without driving for economy all the petrols I've owned have beat their combined figure with ease on motorway runs and I can't see why a 340i would be any different. Also, in the circumstances you describe I suspect you'd easily see 60mpg plus from a 320d.

Therefore, I still say the 335d is not really that much more economical than the petrol equivalent and quite a bit worse than the 4-pot diesel (and hence if it's mpg you're after it's not necessarily the most logical choice in the range). Still a very nice car though!
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Regarding the OP's original question - just speak to your dealer. At the end of the day you can cancel your order & get your deposit back and start again - no dealers going to object if you are placing an order for a probably more expensive car - most will just give a deposit back regardless.

On the question of what would I do - I'd go 335 if I was doing a high mileage - most of us motorway trudgers want effortless driving and that is what the 335d delivers in spades. I reckon on a 8-10mpg drop between the two based on like for like driving - the gap may grow if you want to hear more of the 40i noise and want to match the 35d performance. For my miles that is around a £1,500 difference/annum - money is money to me whatever car I choose to buy - the 40i & 35d are basically the same car (stress as far as what I want/need from a car) except the x-drive has distinct advantages at the traffic lights and when I want to get up my ice covered hill and onto treated roads. So why pay more for broadly the same or possibly less based on what you want (I'm not interested in extreme cornering on the ragged edge - and I can drive a car with slightly less feel just fine). On my current mileage the 35d is definitely the notably cheaper car over it's lifetime taking all costs into account.

When I change next I'm hoping to be able to move on to an M3 (assuming they will still do 4 doors when I come to change), if not I will probably stick with a 35d/40d/50d (whatever will be available by then) GT as if I can't get the M3 it will be because of still needing space... In other words I'd throw my current 'rule book' out the window in exchange for an M3 but probably not for a 40i... Though I may change my mind by then...

It's good we all want different things from our cars or this forum wouldn't exist other than to inquire how to change a light bulb!
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If the National Institute for Economic and Social Research is right with its 2017 projections, crude oil will rise by 21% next year.

We're already seeing petrol and diesel prices rise because of GBP weakness, so its likely that trend will continue. Thirsty cars might not look so appealing this time next year...
You got it in one, and RV will be effected too.
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I'm getting just over 25mpg from my 340i and it only has 200 miles on it, that's on a 10 mile run of mixed roads, I'd be surprised if you got the same on a longer run, by comparison the 335d did 30mpg on the exact same run, of the 5 BMW's Iíve had this is the only one I really enjoy driving
Agree,out of the 5 beemers I have owned this is the one I also would truly say I enjoy driving the most,only picked her up last week and did a 300 mile round trip up north at weekend, trip computer was saying I still had well over 100 left in the tank.Cars only done 500 miles so not even run in yet .Having owned a 35d I would say there is not a great deal of differance between the 2 on fuel costs
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Another great x40i review:



46.2mpg with an average speed of 78.5mph over 66 miles - it appears there is a big difference after the motor is run in from the reviewers experience.
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Another great x40i review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eUbiKCBwVg

46.2mph with an average speed of 78.5mph over 66 miles - it appears there is a big difference after the motor is run in from the reviewers experience.
180 MPH in his dreams.
36 MPG is believable on a constant 80 MPH speed.
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180 MPH in his dreams.
36 MPG is believable on a constant speed.
How you getting on with that 535d John? Liking it?
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How you getting on with that 535d John? Liking it?
Yea it's really good TBH, Michelin Primacy Run-flats are very quiet.
The car goes very well feels as fast as the 435D MS.
Refinement though on a new level.
PS) I downloaded the 2017-1 Sat-Nav Maps into the car too.
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How much HP did you gain by remapping that 2 litre engine? I'd be interested to do that if it doesn't cost too much.
Some quite significant gains and a few posts here recently, DMS quote from 181 up to 221 for BHP and torques of 280 up to 332
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Some quite significant gains and a few posts here recently, DMS quote from 181 up to 221 for BHP and torques of 280 up to 332
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I phoned DMS before going with another local guy, they said to me we can take my car from 184 bhp to 270 bhp and torque from 380 to 480 ish.

I said I didn't want huge gains like that.

They seem to say different to everyone.
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I phoned DMS before going with another local guy, they said to me we can take my car from 184 bhp to 270 bhp and torque from 380 to 480 ish.

I said I didn't want huge gains like that.

They seem to say different to everyone.
The figures from the DMS link look pretty unbelievable.

It quotes the 340i as 326bhp increasing to 401bhp. Leaving aside the fact that they don't seem to know the difference between PS and BHP (326PS/322BHP), 401 whichever the measurement unit looks high for just an ECU remap.

Personally I would only ever consider the official MPPK. I wonder if they are even aware of the torque limitation of the manual gearbox compared to the auto?
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Really? Drive a 420i and 420d back to back.
I agree.
Initially I had a 320i, auto it sounded nice & quite, but to get it to move I had wind it up. In fact, on the autobahn at 105+ it would just continue to accelerate. But at low down speeds acceleration just was not there. A manual might have been better.

Next I had a 320d. It's low down acceleration in comparison was a revelation, particularly with paddles. Paddles are not mentioned very much, but for the 320d they are very useful indeed. I just could do without them particularly in sport mode, which I find is the mode to be to get about!
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