[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by Saintor

So you can keep your illusions?...

F30 328i manual 3406 lbs
E90 328i manual 3362 lbs

Now you can put your head back in the sand.

quit trolling with fake facts...

The F30 has larger wheels, larger brakes more standard options (bigger) and weighs:1430kg DIN

Your beloved 325i/330i less equipment and smaller wheels brakes and car etc.
weighs: 1470kg DIN

that is 40kg difference which last i check was about 88lbs.

[justinnum1]

owned

[BLKBullet]

335i with X drive and M-Sport + taxes will be close to $60K.

Don't even know what to say to that....

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by 90degreeman

Although, I have never used BMW navi, but I can assume its a pain in the arse to type in the information

You can send it to the car via google (with BMW Assist) or USB thumb drive it or iPhone app zap it (some locales) but the system is the easiest of them all.... seriously.

[BLKBullet]

Originally Posted by 90degreeman

Exactly, your situation makes sense. My total with tax/title/bullshit-fees/dealer-profit is at $50,750. Budget was $45k but had to cave in for a ZTP for larger screen...i'll never use that navigation, EVER. Got my iPhone which outdoes any navigation. Although, I have never used BMW navi, but I can assume its a pain in the arse to type in the information. Anyways, got disposable income coming up after tax refunds

bmw navi has been the easiest to use personally. Far better than the competition.

[90degreeman]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

You can send it to the car via google (with BMW Assist) or USB thumb drive it or iPhone app zap it (some locales) but the system is the easiest of them all.... seriously.

This changes EVERYTHING. Thank you, sir. I don't need BMW Assist to do this, right? I have an iPhone 3Gs.

[Saintor]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

quit trolling with fake facts...

The F30 has larger wheels, larger brakes more standard options (bigger) and weighs:1430kg DIN

Your beloved 325i/330i less equipment and smaller wheels brakes and car etc.
weighs: 1470kg DIN

that is 40kg difference which last i check was about 88lbs.

Get your facts straight.

Actually straight from BMW USA. My figures are from there.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

The F30 328i is indeed 44lbs HEAVIER than the E90 whatever the reason, period.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by 90degreeman

This changes EVERYTHING. Thank you, sir. I don't need BMW Assist to do this, right? I have an iPhone 3Gs.

BMW Remote App (Need BMW Assist- BTW I recommend as it saved my life once (seriously))

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...on.html#media0

Work around without assist

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608502

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by Saintor

Get your facts straight.

Actually straight from BMW USA. My figures are from there.
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...fications.aspx

The F30 328i is indeed 44lbs HEAVIER than the E90 whatever the reason, period.

From BMWNA

Introducing The All-New 6th Generation BMW 3 Series Sedan

14.10.2011
Woodcliff Lake, NJ – October 14, 2011 11:15 am EDT …With the announcement of the sixth generation BMW 3 Series Sedan, the benchmark by which all sport sedans are measured just got raised. The pioneering history of the 3 Series serves as inspiration for the new sports sedan, whose powerful styling represents a fresh interpretation and conscientious development of traditional BMW design cues. It will not only set new standards for performance and handling but also for luxury, technology and efficiency as well.
The all-new BMW 3 Series Sedan arrives in US showrooms in February 2012 as a 2012 model.
The new BMW face, with elongated headlights reaching along as far as the BMW kidney grille, emphasizes the new BMW 3 Series’ sense of width and strengthens its athletic overall profile. The sixth generation of the 3 Series has grown moderately in size compared to its predecessor, with its wide track (front + 37 mm/1.46 in., rear + 47 mm/1.85 in.) particularly prominent, and the car’s length (+ 93 mm/3.66 in.) and wheelbase (+ 50 mm/1.96 in.) also accentuates its sporting allure. Inside the new BMW 3 Series Sedan, the rear passengers will appreciate the noticeable increase in space made possible by the larger dimensions. And the BMW 3 Series range is now also available in a trio of trim and equipment variants – the Sport Line, Luxury Line and Modern Line. Each presents its own individual take on the character of the sports sedan, with exclusive, high-quality material combinations and unbeatable build quality underlining the premium ambience of the new range.
Drive and chassis technology have always been key areas of expertise for the brand, and agility and driving dynamics remain outstanding attributes of the new
BMW 3 Series Sedan. The new car belies its larger dimensions with an equipment equalized curb weight 88 lb (40 kilograms) below that of its predecessor.

[Saintor]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

From BMWNA

Introducing The All-New 6th Generation BMW 3 Series Sedan

14.10.2011
Woodcliff Lake, NJ – October 14, 2011 11:15 am EDT …With the announcement of the sixth generation BMW 3 Series Sedan, the benchmark by which all sport sedans are measured just got raised. The pioneering history of the 3 Series serves as inspiration for the new sports sedan, whose powerful styling represents a fresh interpretation and conscientious development of traditional BMW design cues. It will not only set new standards for performance and handling but also for luxury, technology and efficiency as well.
The all-new BMW 3 Series Sedan arrives in US showrooms in February 2012 as a 2012 model.
The new BMW face, with elongated headlights reaching along as far as the BMW kidney grille, emphasizes the new BMW 3 Series’ sense of width and strengthens its athletic overall profile. The sixth generation of the 3 Series has grown moderately in size compared to its predecessor, with its wide track (front + 37 mm/1.46 in., rear + 47 mm/1.85 in.) particularly prominent, and the car’s length (+ 93 mm/3.66 in.) and wheelbase (+ 50 mm/1.96 in.) also accentuates its sporting allure. Inside the new BMW 3 Series Sedan, the rear passengers will appreciate the noticeable increase in space made possible by the larger dimensions. And the BMW 3 Series range is now also available in a trio of trim and equipment variants – the Sport Line, Luxury Line and Modern Line. Each presents its own individual take on the character of the sports sedan, with exclusive, high-quality material combinations and unbeatable build quality underlining the premium ambience of the new range.
Drive and chassis technology have always been key areas of expertise for the brand, and agility and driving dynamics remain outstanding attributes of the new
BMW 3 Series Sedan. The new car belies its larger dimensions with an equipment equalized curb weight 88 lb (40 kilograms) below that of its predecessor.

Marketing bla-blah based on preliminary specs 3 months ago. That is not what they publish in their specs on their US site now.

See by yourself.

I would be curious to see the broken details.

528i N20 is also heavier compared to the N52.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by Saintor

Marketing bla-blah based on preliminary specs 3 months ago. That is not what they publish in their specs on their US site now.

See by yourself.

I would be curious to see the broken details.

528i N20 is also heavier compared to the N52.

It's not preliminary- they are the numbers from the exact sources I posted above. Where are you getting yours from? For the E90 in particular. I never trust anything on their web page because lord knows who plugged those numbers in- the configuration isn't even accurate.

The numbers I have posted are the true DIN numbers from production based cars.

[Saintor]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

It's not preliminary- they are the numbers from the exact sources I posted above. Where are you getting yours from? For the E90 in particular. I never trust anything on their web page because lord knows who plugged those numbers in- the configuration isn't even accurate.

The numbers I have posted are the true DIN numbers from production based cars.

Again, that's from their site above. I posted their F30 link. 3406lbs, black on white.

The E90 is no more online (USA), but is still present for Canada.
http://www.bmw.ca/ca/en/newvehicles/...ical_data.html

1525kg = 3362lbs.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by Saintor

F30 328i manual 3406 lbs
E90 328i manual 3362 lbs

Yep, that's right. The F30 328i is 88lbs lighter than the E90 330i per European specification but somehow this doesn't relate to US curb weight. That being said, please try to keep it civil in here.


Best regards,
south

[Michael Schott]

Originally Posted by Ceizer1985

335i with X drive and M-Sport + taxes will be close to $60K.

Don't even know what to say to that....

You could pay $60K for a loaded e90 335 M-Sport. So what?

[bmw-nj]

Originally Posted by Michael Schott

You could pay $60K for a loaded e90 335 M-Sport. So what?

So you should have bought an M3.

[ska///235i]

i want a 328 but with xenon lights, but if its only $2-3k more for a 335' its a no brainer imo. $2-3k for a 5yr loan is onky what? $20-30 bucks more per month?

[Delta0311]

Not looking to buy another 328 but BMW dropped the ball again. I mean come one, sun roof and xenon's are not standard. These days things like these come standard even on a $16k KIA. Anyway I'm holding out for the F32 335i.

[Michael Schott]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Not looking to buy another 328 but BMW dropped the ball again. I mean come one, sun roof and xenon's are not standard. These days things like these come standard even on a $16k KIA. Anyway I'm holding out for the F32 335i.

Xenon's and sunroof were not std on the e90 328i either. And there are few cars that come std with Zenon headlights these days. They are not std on a Cadillac CTS or an Audi A4 unless you get the Premium Plus package. You are right about the sunroof on lesser cars though.

[iwannabimmer]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

i want a 328 but with xenon lights, but if its only $2-3k more for a 335' its a no brainer imo. $2-3k for a 5yr loan is onky what? $20-30 bucks more per month?

It is not that simple. Don't forget the MPG difference and the insurance.

For me, I don't need a lot of options, the difference between 328 and 335 is around $5,000. That is around $90 per month difference in payments alone (60 months @ 3.9% interest rate). When I factor in the MPGs and the insurance then the difference can easily be around $200 per month. That is 2 credit card payments!

[BLKBullet]

Does anyone know if and when the 335 engine is being revamped?

[BLKBullet]

Originally Posted by iwannabimmer

It is not that simple. Don't forget the MPG difference and the insurance.

For me, I don't need a lot of options, the difference between 328 and 335 is around $5,000. That is around $90 per month difference in payments alone (60 months @ 3.9% interest rate). When I factor in the MPGs and the insurance then the difference can easily be around $200 per month. That is 2 credit card payments!

How are you getting a $5K difference?

A fully loaded 328 for me is around $47K (before taxes)
Same options in a 335 yields around $54K (before taxes)

This is not even counting the X Drive and M Sport which i really really want to get...

[accel]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

quit trolling with fake facts...

The F30 has larger wheels, larger brakes more standard options (bigger) and weighs:1430kg DIN

Your beloved 325i/330i less equipment and smaller wheels brakes and car etc.
weighs: 1470kg DIN

that is 40kg difference which last i check was about 88lbs.

Originally Posted by mapezzul

The new car belies its larger dimensions with an equipment equalized curb weight 88 lb (40 kilograms) below that of its predecessor.

Hm... really funny that after this they publish 3406lbs unladen for 328i F30 at BMWUSA website... AND in current F30 PDF brochure that is downloadable from BMWUSA as well.

By the way, your PDF's "Specifications apply to ACEA markets; data relevant to homologation applicable in part only to Germany (weight)"

E90 328i was at 3340lbs (til 2008) and then 3362lbs (from 2009) unladen. In 2010 they got rid of a lot of standard equipment (like sunroof, less speakers and others) but didn't update the weight - but I estimated around 60-65lbs in weight savings for 2010. I was curious as to why they didn't update weight numbers, but now I can think of at least this reason - they didn't want the old generation to appear much lighter.

I guess F30's extra weight might have been gained based on differences in standard EUR vs NA, equipment at press release time versus the actual f30 configuration...

Also, press release was based on European lineup. Is n20 the very basic level engine over there? 'Cause 88lbs diff might be based on e90 vs F30 based on some engine other than N20. Do they have RFT in Europe?

P.S. Actually, back to e46->e90 transition time they acknowledged weight gains: "But there’s no hint that the 3 Series is abandoning its tradition of compact exterior dimensions (see nearby table), and despite extensive new content, weight is up less than 100 lb. on most versions (data for all-wheel-drive models are preliminary)."

Then they compared e46 325i vs e90 325i +43lbs, whereas 330 vs 330 was at +88lbs, with e90 325i being lighter than e46 330i with similar levels of performance.