12-04-2012, 07:19 AM | #331 |
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I have given this further thought. In the opinion of this architect those GT models look like they are pregnant. Pregnant woman are beautiful. Pregnant BMW's are ugly.
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http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou...48930228-O.jpg There are some minor cosmetic differences (marker light locations), but otherwise, very similar. The rear roofline is a little higher. Keep in mind that what works in illustrations often does not work in real life. Passengers have to get in and out of the car and sit in the back seat without knocking their head against the roofline.
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12-04-2012, 08:16 AM | #335 | |
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12-04-2012, 10:36 AM | #336 | ||
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I really hope Scott answers my question, and doesn't use cop outs such as: "Well you don't have to get a newer BMW", "Have fun with another brand", or go the defender route saying everyone is wrong about the F30's steering. |
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12-04-2012, 10:45 AM | #337 |
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Sorry it's UGLY.
Compare the rear roofline to a CLS, A7, CC and you will see this not a worthy competitor. I just don't think BMW gets the whole four door hatch. There GT cars look like they started with a wagon design and just smooshed the back. |
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12-04-2012, 11:58 AM | #338 |
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It seems from what SCOTT posted that BMW doesn't really cater nor care about the thoughts of enthusiasts, as they are just a fraction of the market. This being an enthusiasts forum is probably not the right place to be posting and discussing this atrocity.
No need to get upset over these comments SCOTT. Enthusiasts simply do not like this car. You'll sell it well, as you've shown through past numbers, and that's all that matters. |
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12-04-2012, 12:08 PM | #339 |
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The GT is not a competitor to those cars. BMW is developing the 4-series Gran Coupe to compete with those on style.
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Probably a competitor to the X3, for those who don't want to drive an SUV but need more room than a standard sedan. I know everyone here absolutely loves Touring models, but to most in the US, they still have that old/stuffy "station wagon" stigma. The 3 GT will at least have the distinction of being "unique". Not that I would consider one, however.
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12-04-2012, 01:53 PM | #342 | |
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12-04-2012, 02:43 PM | #343 | |
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What you have to realise is that in the industry there is constant progression whether in design , technology or even the customers requirements. There is no way a company like BMW especially as it is independent can stand back and let their competitors walk over them. a BMW has to appeal to a global audience and that means reflecting the current trends , ideas and cultures. From an enthusiast point of view BMW still provide the best handling dynamic character as expected from a BMW in a typical original BMW fashion, BMW are not trying to imitate anybody else in that department. No need to get upset over these comments SCOTT. Enthusiasts simply do not like this car. You'll sell it well, as you've shown through past numbers, and that's all that matters. I do not get upset , I just let out a sigh and move on because I have heard it all before , on this and that but as time progresses everything we do is criticized and disected by many parties but as we progress time proves we were right all along. If we take the 3er GT for example one of my tasks in marketing a new model is to organize and make good use of focus groups to introduce the new model which the 3er GT was generally accepted. As the car was presented to not only current BMW customers of existing or previous 3er models but also customers who have never owned a BMW before. Hatchback/Fastback models are immensely popular in Europe for the customer that needs more flexibility than an existing sedan. A focus group participant told me that he went to a VW focus group where they showed a five dr version of the next euro Passat model which up until 1988 was a five dr initially. And they listed the 3er GT as a potential rival. As we will communicate the 3er Gran Turismo is essentially still a 3er but with a broader range of flexibility. In Europe for example , not everyone wants the utility of a Touring and unlike the US not everyone will go for the SAV option. Each BMW model is developed from the onset to match the customers needs and the 3er GT is no different. The 3er GT is not for everyone but those who will choose it will for the reasons discussed here individuality , flexibility and those that overlook convention.
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12-04-2012, 03:22 PM | #344 |
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SCOTT, yes things are evolving and the market has become global. Still no excuse for the polarising, but mainly aversion evoking designs they put forward. Makes me adore my old E39 even more as a classic beauty, just like the F10 who still has got the X-factor also.
You say that criticism is normal but always has proved to be wrong... I don't buy that, even the offensively ugly Bangle 7-series had to be facelifted early and substantial. When you see a young timer E65 these days, it holds no cancle to earlier E23/32/38 models. I still omit to see good reasons for inferior design. Look at the www for global first reactions on 3 GT, 80% of the reactions are simple and pure aversions on design. You say it's mainly targeting Europe? The 5GT certainly wasn't. I see the price will put it above the touring also...?? Also here, it will not be a fast moving item then and it will become obsolete immediately, after a first wave of early adopters buying a few thousands of them. Will certainly not become a classic. I hope they at least will earn a bit on it. |
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the 5er GT is NOT a volume level car so sales should not be as high as some of you were expecting. BMW's initial strategy on launch was to sell around 15,000-20,000 units of the 5er GT per year.
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12-04-2012, 05:15 PM | #347 |
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SCOTT, I really admire your FIRE and THRUST you keep injecting in the brand we all want to excel so much! I really do want BMW to be where it must be: at the far top end of the food chain. Delivering leaner, more satisfying cars at a higher but still reasonable cost.
I just don't see how a 5GT, 3GT and SAV's are assuring my next 3-touring or 5-sedan will still be on top there. I just see first pictures of the new RS-6 and really...even on the first few pics, it can positively immediately excite me. Few new BMW models did this lately... when I was 15 years younger, every new bimmer was a feast for all senses. I remember that a M635Csi was a supercar! btw, the E65 was a real misfit, still is, sorry to play hard on that. Just be honest to yourself... |
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12-04-2012, 09:14 PM | #349 | |
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So, we/US should expect some accommodation for our opinions about style. I know, I'm reaching a bit. |
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Honda S2000 and even before that, the famed NSX. Steering rack? NOT hydraulic, but electric. I know other companies use BMW 3 series as a benchmark and attempt to emulate and build on it, BMW may have too much pride to take an S2000 and look into it to see why it's electric steering is so good. And the ATS has received many very positive reviews for it's steering, and it too is electric. OUCH. |
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Sorry Scott, I know that's your job, nothing wrong with keeping positive. The 7 had to be fixed to improve sales. According to Scott I could be wrong. But, did the 7 sell at it's best volume because it included the newish China market to help those sales? The previous 5 was a bad styling decision, and BMW had to correct that to regain sales, and it worked. Recent sales of the new 5 and 7 models are quite successful in sales numbers compared to their previous iterations. I didn't like the initial E90 and happily it was finally corrected with the face lift. The Msport version was especially nice. As for the 1M it did very well. But, BMW failed on that one because of it's very short run. It was a model version that did extremely well, so what did BMW do, they didn't extend the run even though a replacement for the 1 series, on which it's based, is still over a year away. Who at BMW had the bright idea to stop production of the 1M 2 years before a new 1 series replacement comes and likely another 4 years before an M2? LOST SALES. I for one really wanted to see new 1 coupe and sedan. Knowing that wasn't coming I was hoping BMW would increase 1M sales, as early on a top BMW exec said that if sales and demand were there they could increase production. They didn't. Didn't lose me though as I got a 335i. BUT, it's not exactly THE BMW I wanted this time around. BTW, have you guys seen the render of the coming 2 series gran coupe? It's VERY nice. If this 3GT hurts your eyes and makes you want to punch BMW, go look at the 2 gran coupe render. You may regain confidence and hope. Last edited by RPM90; 12-04-2012 at 09:48 PM.. |
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Anyway back to the GT. I just had a thought. BMW should turn the GT's into a shooting brake. Not only will it look better, but it will also be more practical. |
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