[metrathon]

Originally Posted by Badulay

No jokes man we are being tortured by goverment like a 3 th world country.
3 series is considered high luxury car in our country if I was in US I would definitely go for a f150 raptor by the way for example if you are a constructor or have a company that reaches a certain amount of tax you dont pay tax for your car or gas so all luxury cars x5 whatever registered to private companies. I'm a doctor so I have no company or what I'm working my ass of to pay my loan

Shit dude, and I was debating if to move to Turkey, Portugal or SoCal. Based on what you say, I'm glad I chose SoCal. Turkey it's a beauty tho ...

[xDrive35i]

Originally Posted by metrathon

And what's with the diesel price? More expensive than the premium gas? It's truck fuel for God's sake

On a side note I find VW being a ripoff here in US: expensive strippers with old engines.
In Western Europe they're nothing more than what the name says: people's car. But here, there's sort of a "premium" aura to them and people seems to buy into that.

They're not stripper cars and they're now officially competitively priced with their competition. While reliability isn't up to par necessarily with the American and Japanese competition, build quality and materials quality are much higher and more solid feeling.

Also they're far more attractive and mature looking vehicles than the cars coming out of Japan, South Korea, and Detroit. Only now has Kia figured things out with sharper curves and more distinct lines because their new design chief worked at Audi for a number of years.

[RussRamz]

Diesel's rock!

[Mak135i]

Originally Posted by metrathon

I'm relatively new to US and one thing I don't get is why all the diesel hate? Why so few diesel offerings?
A diesel it's a much better alternative to a gutless hybrid: same mpg or better, faster, more power, much more torque and so much more fun to drive.
What can be better than a 3.0 diesel with 260 hp / 413 lb-ft all while doing 40 mpg city and 55 highway?

Can someone explain?

Mainly ignorance...some people here equate diesel with their father's Olds Delta 88 of the 80's

[Reznick]

I think a lot of it does come down to ignorance.like many other things in the automotive world or world in general.People have preconceived notions about what something is or isn't just because of what things were 30 yrs ago.Diesel and gasoline turbo engines seem 2 be 2 of the biggest things i see some of my older friends cringe about.If they'd just give it a try, they'd realize modern diesel engines are nothing like diesel engines from the early 80's or even early 90's

[RoundelM3]

Thanks to GM in the 1970s with their really bad diesel adaptation of V-6 and V-8 gasoline engines, everyone seems to equate diesels with smoke, smell, and soot. The first diesels from Europe didn't do much to dispel that, either. Until battery technology gets MUCH better, I'd rather have a diesel than a hybrid any day, let alone those pure-electric cars like the Nissan Leaf and such. Problem is, every time we find a way to get better fuel economy, the oil companies screw us over by raising the price of the fuel. Diesel now costs more than premium gasoline, even though it takes less refining and used to be really cheap. Of course, they blame it on the process required to make it "ultra-low sulfur". And then there's the urea fluid required to keep the exhaust clean. And the new high-tech diesels aren't friendly with bio-diesel...gee, I wonder if there's some oil-company influence involved with that?

[kevlartoronto]

People in the states have different priorities and fuel efficiency is not really one of them esp when it comes to bmws. The 335 is their top selling 3 series while in Europe it's probably the 320d. In addition to this, for some bizarre reason diesel costs more than premium petrol in the states. In Canada it's fluctuates between costing a little more than regular petrol and costing a little bit less. Actually diesel cars in Canada are receiving quite a warm welcome nowadays.

[sean10mm]

-Large markup for diesel vehicles in the US
-Diesel more expensive than premium gasoline in the US
-Gasoline is still cheaper in the US than most of the developed world
-Earlier diesel cars sold here were historically awful

Think that about does it.

[Ti335]

Originally Posted by Badulay

No jokes man we are being tortured by goverment like a 3 th world country.

Umm, Turkey is a third world country.

[Mak135i]

Originally Posted by Ti335

Umm, Turkey is a third world country.

Not sure how one defines "3rd world country". But if Turkey is a 3rd world country, then many other European countries are too

[Ti335]

Originally Posted by Mak135i

Not sure how one defines "3rd world country". But if Turkey is a 3rd world country, then many other European countries are too

Sure, countries like Albania, Greece, etc. Not all of Europe is first world (in fairness, neither are many parts of the U.S. these days)

[BavarianFanatic]

Anyone who is "unsure" about what diesel has going for it needs to drive an E90 335d. Then you'll understand.

[BavarianFanatic]

Originally Posted by kevlartoronto

People in the states have different priorities and fuel efficiency is not really one of them esp when it comes to bmws. The 335 is their top selling 3 series while in Europe it's probably the 320d. In addition to this, for some bizarre reason diesel costs more than premium petrol in the states. In Canada it's fluctuates between costing a little more than regular petrol and costing a little bit less. Actually diesel cars in Canada are receiving quite a warm welcome nowadays.

True and false.

Fuel efficiency gets a lot of attention, but nobody is willing to give up all of their creature comforts, size, mass or power.

And the 335i is not the top selling 3 in the US. Sales of the 328i outpace the 335i by orders of magnitude.

[metrathon]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

True and false.

Fuel efficiency gets a lot of attention, but nobody is willing to give up all of their creature comforts, size, mass or power.

And the 335i is not the top selling 3 in the US. Sales of the 328i outpace the 335i by orders of magnitude.

And now, that the 320i was introduced, we'll have a new king.

[metrathon]

Originally Posted by Ti335

Umm, Turkey is a third world country.

With all due respect sire, you don't know what you're talking about. Turkey is a developing country. Check your facts.

[kevlartoronto]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

True and false.

Fuel efficiency gets a lot of attention, but nobody is willing to give up all of their creature comforts, size, mass or power.

And the 335i is not the top selling 3 in the US. Sales of the 328i outpace the 335i by orders of magnitude.

really? what are the numbers 335 vs 328 in the states?

[Ti335]

Originally Posted by metrathon

With all due respect sire, you don't know what you're talking about. Turkey is a developing country. Check your facts.

With an equal amount of respect, you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. "Third world country" and "developing country" are two terms for the same thing.

First World = developed countries
Second World = former Warsaw pact countries
Third World = developing countries

[shivaswrath]

Originally Posted by Ti335

With an equal amount of respect, you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. "Third world country" and "developing country" are two terms for the same thing.

First World = developed countries
Second World = former Warsaw pact countries
Third World = developing countries

Lol metrathon you have no idea what you're saying... Learn from ti335.

[Arabaci Noyan]

Guys second or third I dont know about that.... But Doctors are treated like shit,
our respect and income went upside down in last 5 years
all professors from universities resign and goverment Doctors forced to work under the shittiest conditions our private contracts limited to near zero

By the way 320i is cheaper from 320d here

Another fact if you wanna have apps and satnav in TR you need to pay at least 8000$

[jddssc121]

diesel (for me at least) only cost more than premium in the winter. In the summer it' smuch cheaper than premium, usually even cheaper than regular.

sticker price is higher for the car/SAV, but BMW has been running some pretty awesome ECO Credits that take care of most of that sting.

[F30AM]

I used to dislike Diesel engined cars as they were noisy, not very fast and threw out really filthy smoke from their rear pipes.

And then I tried the 330d M sport. Nearly as quiet as the 335i when idling, as quiet on the move, far superior in gear acceleration and infinitely superior fuel consumption.

The Diesel is the FASTER car especially in 330d guise. No doubt.

[Meeni]

Originally Posted by Ti335

With an equal amount of respect, you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. "Third world country" and "developing country" are two terms for the same thing.

First World = developed countries
Second World = former Warsaw pact countries
Third World = developing countries

That classification is dated. It made sense during the cold war and maybe immediately after, but it doesn't anymore. You have to make the difference between a quickly growing economy, such as Turkey, and a quickly decaying state such as Greece. Many east european countries are now fully 1st world, some are still under-develloped, and show no sign of getting better (think Moldova). But still, Moldova and Somalia are again 2 different animals. Modern classifications are usually making difference between occidental world (former 1st world, often including Japan), developed countries (some of these have GDP/capita that is better than 1st world!) like Singapour, TW, South Korea, Brazil, China etc., developping countries (like Philippine, Thailand, Vietnam, ... ) and under-developed countries (most of Africa, half of south america, parts of former easter europe, etc). But anyway, out of topic. Just read a book on the subject that is not 20y/o, its going to be clearer than me explaining stuff on the internet .



For the question, if I would get the 330d instead of the 330i, I don't know, I have not tried the 330d. I have tried the 320d and it is a very good engine for a family car. It has plenty of torque and can even be a fun engine. Now, the 330i is rev-happy, and I like that. It is a true sport engine. When I tried the N20, it felt like a (good) diesel in many respects (lots of low down torque, can ride on the torque at 2k most of the day and be happy). Reformulate the question, would I get the 3x0d instead of the 328i, probably. Instead of the 330i, I don't think so - or not for the same purpose, at least.