[Rbrown]

Was having a look at offers on 3 series.

On Douglas Park website, stumbled across 335d shadow edition. £9k contribution and 1.9% APR. Beginning to get the feeling they are struggling to sell diesels?

[TodmordenLad]

Probably, if this statistic is anything to go by..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41884203

[JustChris]

Diesels fell 30% in October !

[JD6]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Diesels fell 30% in October !

The headline is a little misleading. Diesel sales in October 2017 were 30% lower than October 2016, rather than this 30% drop happening in a month as the headline implies.

Had there been no change in the relative attitude to diesel v other fuels, the drop would have been 12%, so the additional 18% drop on the year is due to the shift in attitude towards diesel. Still significant, but perhaps not worthy of that headline.

We need to see the Budget this month to clarify the position on diesels. That will decide whether they continue to lose market share.

My guess is that the Budget will do almost nothing which affects existing cars (perhaps adding a penny on fuel duty for diesel), but may make a change to cars registered after the Budget. With a wafer thin effective majority, they can't afford to annoy voters...

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Diesels fell 30% in October !

The whole market dropped by 12% so the diesel drop is not that drastic given that petrol only grew by 2.7%

Given how hybrids are so attractive to company drivers I would expect diesel to decline.

Just watch what happens when the BIK tax on hybrids is increased.

[Mr Whippy]

340i xDrive mSport please BMW!

Before the F3x gets replaced by something even more bloated.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

340i xDrive mSport please BMW!

Before the F3x gets replaced by something even more bloated.

BMW really aren't going to launch this in the Uk now, too late.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Rbrown

Was having a look at offers on 3 series.

On Douglas Park website, stumbled across 335d shadow edition. £9k contribution and 1.9% APR. Beginning to get the feeling they are struggling to sell diesels?

If that's their starting point, straight up advertised on their website, the discounts are even bigger of you try. Just had a quick look at brokers and you can get a whopping £12,400 discount if you try hard enough. Wish I'd waited a few months now!

It has absolutely nothing to do with diesel though, you can get the same discount level on a 340i as well.

[Rbrown]

Originally Posted by Alex440

If that's their starting point, straight up advertised on their website, the discounts are even bigger of you try. Just had a quick look at brokers and you can get a whopping £12,400 discount if you try hard enough. Wish I'd waited a few months now!

It has absolutely nothing to do with diesel though, you can get the same discount level on a 340i as well.

That is interesting - something I may consider if £££ right!

Thanks for he heads up!

[Mr Whippy]

How much credit do you need to attract a £9k contribution?

Still works out ok vs the smaller contribs offered on the top models.


I assume the brokers site includes all discounts and contribs possible?



PS, the nice msport plus wheels from MY16/17, it seems you can't spec those any more?
Quite fancy a 335d xd new and cheap but it's frustrating you're now stuck with the pre-LCI 19s or the new shadowline 19s only?

[Theone88]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

How much credit do you need to attract a £9k contribution?

Still works out ok vs the smaller contribs offered on the top models.


I assume the brokers site includes all discounts and contribs possible?



PS, the nice msport plus wheels from MY16/17, it seems you can't spec those any more?
Quite fancy a 335d xd new and cheap but it's frustrating you're now stuck with the pre-LCI 19s or the new shadowline 19s only?

There was 0% finance on all X3 diesels in August (ready for the new model recently released), 0% on diesel 3 series in September and 0% on diesel 4 series in October.

[Rbrown]

Originally Posted by Theone88

There was 0% finance on all X3 diesels in August (ready for the new model recently released), 0% on diesel 3 series in September and 0% on diesel 4 series in October.

You just have to worry the impact these discounts will have on residual values!

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Rbrown

You just have to worry the impact these discounts will have on residual values!

Gone beyond the point of worrying with my 335d; just over 3 years into a 4-year PCP agreement and even the likely private sale price wouldn't cover the outstanding finance. Not convinced the negative equity will disappear within the next 12 months so it's basically a VT waiting to happen (either that or I just let the agreement run to the end and walk away!).

[YR430D]

Which is why I would not buy a new car depreciation is a killer. I’ve just bought a 430d just over 2.5 years old. I might as just run it into the ground rather that worrying about depreciation. I’m sure new with options it was a 40-45k car. I paid £19k.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by YR430D

Which is why I would not buy a new car depreciation is a killer. I’ve just bought a 430d just over 2.5 years old. I might as just run it into the ground rather that worrying about depreciation. I’m sure new with options it was a 40-45k car. I paid £19k.

I suspect it was more like £35k after discount new unless it has every single box ticked including a full set of Individual options, but that is still probably quite a sensible way to buy. At 6-7 years old, it may well still be worth £10-11k

[Cero ceto]

i have no concerns with regards to depreciation of my 335d because as far as I'm concerned its the best tool for the job, nothing comes close to both performance/economy! I would purchase another one tomorrow if i needed to and certainly would not entertain a petrol car due to the distances i travel of which is all motorway driving. I hope it sees me through to retirement (7 years) and then i may consider an electric car depending on the infrastructure and distances they can do on a single charge by then!

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by YR430D

Which is why I would not buy a new car depreciation is a killer. I’ve just bought a 430d just over 2.5 years old. I might as just run it into the ground rather that worrying about depreciation. I’m sure new with options it was a 40-45k car. I paid £19k.

And that makes perfect sense if you're buying outright! However, in my case I'm really renting the car and at the time the monthly cost of a new one (post discount and with lower rate finance) was less than for a second-hand one. That said, when I got mine the oldest F31 335d was only around a year old and the prices were still relatively high; could well be a different situation now as they've been around a while and there are quite a few on the second-hand market.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Theone88

There was 0% finance on all X3 diesels in August (ready for the new model recently released), 0% on diesel 3 series in September and 0% on diesel 4 series in October.

It wasn't really all diesels. It was a one off offer to get rid of cars that were already in UK stock. You couldn't order a factory car with 0% finance.

Don't think it will have much effect on residuals, a temporary 0% will be insignificant against the release of a new model.

On a pcp you can bet BMW have already factored in the potential impact of a new model on the GFV.

[camelot1971]

GVF on most 3 and 4 series for a 48 month PCP seems to be about 33% of list price, regardless of petrol of diesel.

I recently ordered a 440i GC with 12k off list and although I'll probably do 15k-18k a year in it I still think it was a smarter move than going diesel.

I've wanted a straight 6 petrol for a while anyway and I think it will be more desirable in the long run over the 4 cyl models. Hopefully this one will be a keeper

[Mr Whippy]

We just bought our 335d at 1yr/5k miles for £28 with a good enough selection of options.

Happy enough to keep it for a decade.

BUT, even looking now at 2007 cars, decent models haven't lost a huge amount.

The old 20% a year loss seems right for year 1, but after that residuals seem to soften a lot for premium cars.

I think all this QE is stealth inflating old car prices significantly.

Bubble? Maybe. But again who cares if you're keeping it longer term.

As a car this 335d is pretty much amazing.
47mpg on the run home, overtaking power like a 90s 911 Turbo, £150 tax and £300 insurance.
4wd and comfy.