M performance springs without shocks

Sedan_Clan · 11-20-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

When you find yourself passing M-cars on a track, you'll realize that the engineers that designed the MLS really did tune if for the performance minded.

Tell us more!!!

FotiosF90M5 · 11-20-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

When you find yourself passing M-cars on a track, you'll realize that the engineers that designed the MLS really did tune if for the performance minded.

Tell us more!!!

Rumor. Shockware might come out in 60 days. Ill link my other dinan thread.

momo3605 · 11-20-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fotios335i

Rumor. Shockware might come out in 60 days. Ill link my other dinan thread.

Finally!!

bmrm396 · 11-20-2013, 05:57 PM

soooooooooo this just went from a thread where people are looking for a cheaper, OEM (if you will) option for performance and lowering .... to a DINAN thread where we all go broke for some suspension software haha

anyway, doesnt address people without DHP anyway. still looking to see whos done just MPerf springs. hell, im getting impatient. if i could easily find and order them i woulda done it already but having no luck with vendors.

momo3605 · 11-20-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bmrm396

soooooooooo this just went from a thread where people are looking for a cheaper, OEM (if you will) option for performance and lowering .... to a DINAN thread where we all go broke for some suspension software haha

anyway, doesnt address people without DHP anyway. still looking to see whos done just MPerf springs. hell, im getting impatient. if i could easily find and order them i woulda done it already but having no luck with vendors.

Why don't you just order it from Tischer? They told me a month ago that they could order it.

2blu · 11-20-2013, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by momo3605

Why don't you just order it from Tischer? They told me a month ago that they could order it.

Was just told the same thing a few hours ago ! Snow is coming in so I'm weighing in on my options for next spring... Someone do this asap

momo3605 · 11-20-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2blu

Was just told the same thing a few hours ago ! Snow is coming in so I'm weighing in on my options for next spring... Someone do this asap

I would've done this, but since Dinan is around the corner somewhere and it's designed specfically for my DHP, I prefer to wait

2blu · 11-20-2013, 06:35 PM

No DHP here and I have X-drive, some have reported that the M-sport/sporline springs work fine with the X-drive, so if the M-performance springs work with the RWD they should work with the X-drive by extension... lol

DVC · 11-21-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fotios335i

Rumor. Shockware might come out in 60 days. Ill link my other dinan thread.

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Originally Posted by momo3605

I would've done this, but since Dinan is around the corner somewhere and it's designed specfically for my DHP, I prefer to wait

I don't believe it. I spoke to them in August, and my rep reported that they were 6 weeks away. Each time I have spoken to them subsequently, the story gets more and more pessimistic. The problem is, they need to crack the car's encryption before they can get into the shock programming... they have been at this for almost two years with no success (which is why we haven't seen engine software from them yet either). I am not holding my breath for shockware any longer.

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Originally Posted by 2blu

No DHP here and I have X-drive, some have reported that the M-sport/sporline springs work fine with the X-drive, so if the M-performance springs work with the RWD they should work with the X-drive by extension... lol

Ah yes, the old transitive property... lol

Actually, my thought is that it's best to use a spring that is designed for a ride height very close to stock (within 1/2" or so) to retain close to full travel range. The M Performance springs are 10mm lower than the sport springs, so this would be well over an inch drop for an xDrive car.
Also, I wouldn't jump 2 steps up in terms of firmer spring rate either; the stock dampers on the xDrive cars are softer than the RWD sport dampers, so the M Performance springs might be a bit of a mismatch with those dampers. For you, probably best to try the OEM sport springs before M Performance springs...

2blu · 11-21-2013, 09:26 AM

Agreed but at 10mm the drop would be minimal. The M perf suspension is an additional 10mm lower, bringing the total to 20mm. That's less than one inch. Having 4 passengers lowers the car more than 20mm. I don't know how much stiffer the M perf suspension is vs stock or even M sport but it is worth a shot.

DVC · 11-21-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 2blu

Agreed but at 10mm the drop would be minimal. The M perf suspension is an additional 10mm lower, bringing the total to 20mm. That's less than one inch. Having 4 passengers lowers the car more than 20mm. I don't know how much stiffer the M perf suspension is vs stock or even M sport but it is worth a shot.

I think the diff between xDrive Sport and RWD Sport is 20-25mm (not 10mm)... So the additional 10mm drop would bring it to a bit over an inch.
This is still not very much though, so with the stiffer spring rate, maybe you will be OK after all.

2blu · 11-21-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DVC

I think the diff between xDrive Sport and RWD Sport is 20-25mm (not 10mm)... So the additional 10mm drop would bring it to a bit over an inch.
This is still not very much though, so with the stiffer spring rate, maybe you will be OK after all.

I was under the impression that the X-drive had the same height as the base non-sport RWD model.

momo3605 · 11-21-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DVC

I don't believe it. I spoke to them in August, and my rep reported that they were 6 weeks away. Each time I have spoken to them subsequently, the story gets more and more pessimistic. The problem is, they need to crack the car's encryption before they can get into the shock programming... they have been at this for almost two years with no success (which is why we haven't seen engine software from them yet either). I am not holding my breath for shockware any longer.

Ah yes, the old transitive property... lol

Actually, my thought is that it's best to use a spring that is designed for a ride height very close to stock (within 1/2" or so) to retain close to full travel range. The M Performance springs are 10mm lower than the sport springs, so this would be well over an inch drop for an xDrive car.
Also, I wouldn't jump 2 steps up in terms of firmer spring rate either; the stock dampers on the xDrive cars are softer than the RWD sport dampers, so the M Performance springs might be a bit of a mismatch with those dampers. For you, probably best to try the OEM sport springs before M Performance springs...

Haha, why don't you try the M performance springs and let us know how it is

DVC · 11-21-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 2blu

I was under the impression that the X-drive had the same height as the base non-sport RWD model.

Just researched a bit, and from what I can tell you're right: base RWD ride height is the same as xDrive...so only a 10mm difference from xDrive to RWD Sport/M Sport (It sure looks like more than that!).
So if that's true, the total drop for an xDrive on M Performance springs would be 20mm, or a little less than an inch. Guys on the forums are going much lower than that with H&R Sport springs...

momo3605 · 11-21-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DVC

Just researched a bit, and from what I can tell you're right: base RWD ride height is the same as xDrive...so only a 10mm difference from xDrive to RWD Sport/M Sport (It sure looks like more than that!).
So if that's true, the total drop for an xDrive on M Performance springs would be 20mm, or a little less than an inch. Guys on the forums are going much lower than that with H&R Sport springs...

Just got an update from Dinan, and they say springs will be out first, likely January, and software is still not cracked. So, springs it is!

DVC · 11-21-2013, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by momo3605

Just got an update from Dinan, and they say springs will be out first, likely January, and software is still not cracked. So, springs it is!

Interesting... this is smart considering all the calls they've likely been getting from frustrated enthusiasts eager to part with their money. The last time I spoke with my rep, I politely told him that if they didn't release something soon, I'd pursue other options : )
At any rate, I think a slightly shorter/stiffer spring (Dinan or MPS) will match up nicely with our OE sport dampers.

2blu · 11-21-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DVC

Just researched a bit, and from what I can tell you're right: base RWD ride height is the same as xDrive...so only a 10mm difference from xDrive to RWD Sport/M Sport (It sure looks like more than that!).
So if that's true, the total drop for an xDrive on M Performance springs would be 20mm, or a little less than an inch. Guys on the forums are going much lower than that with H&R Sport springs...

It's a case of the eye seeing what it wants to see ! If no one does this between now and next spring I just might be the first. 20mm drop will keep OEM look and functionality for my daily/yearly usage of the car.

Jvee90 · 01-02-2014, 02:33 AM

I have an M Sport with DHP and i'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this and going M springs only.

I was emailing Tischer and they say that several E90 guys installed just the BMW Performance yellow springs and had seen success. Hoping the same holds true for the F30. For less than $500 could be pretty worthwhile.

2blu · 01-02-2014, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvee90

I have an M Sport with DHP and i'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this and going M springs only.

I was emailing Tischer and they say that several E90 guys installed just the BMW Performance yellow springs and had seen success. Hoping the same holds true for the F30. For less than $500 could be pretty worthwhile.

Give it a shot let us know how it works out !!!

DVC · 01-02-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvee90

I have an M Sport with DHP and i'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this and going M springs only.

I was emailing Tischer and they say that several E90 guys installed just the BMW Performance yellow springs and had seen success. Hoping the same holds true for the F30. For less than $500 could be pretty worthwhile.

Looking forward to your review!

shivaswrath · 01-02-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvee90

I have an M Sport with DHP and i'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this and going M springs only.

I was emailing Tischer and they say that several E90 guys installed just the BMW Performance yellow springs and had seen success. Hoping the same holds true for the F30. For less than $500 could be pretty worthwhile.

Aren't guys doing the same with HR springs withy the DHP?

shivaswrath · 01-02-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by shivaswrath

When you find yourself passing M-cars on a track, you'll realize that the engineers that designed the MLS really did tune if for the performance minded.

Tell us more!!!

Just that...passing last gen M3s was non issue on a HPDE.
My hot engine oil and eventual shut down..another issue. The 335i needs an oil and diff cooler for serious HPDE abuse.

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2blu Captain 197 Rep 923 Posts Drives: 540i XDrive ///M Sport Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Montreal iTrader: (1)	No DHP here and I have X-drive, some have reported that the M-sport/sporline springs work fine with the X-drive, so if the M-performance springs work with the RWD they should work with the X-drive by extension... lol __________________ GONE: '13 335i X-drive ///M-Sport \| GONE: '16 340i X-Drive ///M-Sport \| GONE: '18 540iX-Drive ///M-Sport \| NOW: '20 X3///M
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2blu Captain 197 Rep 923 Posts Drives: 540i XDrive ///M Sport Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Montreal iTrader: (1)	Agreed but at 10mm the drop would be minimal. The M perf suspension is an additional 10mm lower, bringing the total to 20mm. That's less than one inch. Having 4 passengers lowers the car more than 20mm. I don't know how much stiffer the M perf suspension is vs stock or even M sport but it is worth a shot.
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Jvee90 Private First Class 8 Rep 133 Posts Drives: 2013 328i, 2008 335i sedan Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (0)	I have an M Sport with DHP and i'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this and going M springs only. I was emailing Tischer and they say that several E90 guys installed just the BMW Performance yellow springs and had seen success. Hoping the same holds true for the F30. For less than $500 could be pretty worthwhile.
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