[90% complete] [USB AND STEREO BT WORKING!] DIY HU_NBT Retrofit

kitster · 04-27-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by smilo

So, after your last message, I did some disassemblies and took these pictures of my head unit back/connections

What do you think guys ?
the little connectors in the middle (blue-white and yellow-purple) are for MIC I guess ? Something else ?

Based off the colours (from left to right), it looks like:

Black/White - Radio
Pink/Beige - Bluetooth
Blue/White - GPS
Yellow - USB
Purple - Video cable to iDrive screen

The mic(s) will go directly into the quadlok connections.

smilo · 04-27-2015, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kitster

Quote:

Originally Posted by smilo

So, after your last message, I did some disassemblies and took these pictures of my head unit back/connections

What do you think guys ?
the little connectors in the middle (blue-white and yellow-purple) are for MIC I guess ? Something else ?

Based off the colours (from left to right), it looks like:

Black/White - Radio
Pink/Beige - Bluetooth
Blue/White - GPS
Yellow - USB
Purple - Video cable to iDrive screen

The mic(s) will go directly into the quadlok connections.

So it will be easiest than if I had combox ? I don't need to make any rewiring if I don't put the touch controller ?

I plane (not sure yet) to buy NBT head unit + F30 screen + video cable + Emulator and its PnP connectors. I ll modify the USB cable to make it suitable. It is ok for you to make all operational ? mic, BT, navi, voice control, streaming audio, ConnectedDrive, apps, sport mode...etc

How about coding ? It will be needed too ? I have a ENET cable.. (Not afraid from that

)

Thank you again

kitster · 04-27-2015, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by smilo

So it will be easiest than if I had combox ? I don't need to make any rewiring if I don't put the touch controller ?

I plane (not sure yet) to buy NBT head unit + F30 screen + video cable + Emulator and its PnP connectors. I ll modify the USB cable to make it suitable. It is ok for you to make all operational ? mic, BT, navi, voice control, streaming audio, ConnectedDrive, apps, sport mode...etc

How about coding ? It will be needed too ? I have a ENET cable.. (Not afraid from that

)

Thank you again

For starters you won't be able to use the touch controller, your car is too old to support the KCAN2 bus. You car only has the KCAN1.

You can only have apps (6NR), if the donor NBT has the 9C FSC code for Apps.

Coding? Yes, you will need to add 609 (ProNav) and replace 6NH with 6NS to get EBT.

vithy · 04-27-2015, 06:57 PM

If it's a F30, you should be able to tap into KCAN2 from ENTRY/CIC quadlok (Pin's 9 and 11)

As far as I know all F30's support CAN2. Mine is a older build than his 03/12.

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Originally Posted by kitster

For starters you won't be able to use the touch controller, your car is too old to support the KCAN2 bus. You car only has the KCAN1.

You can only have apps (6NR), if the donor NBT has the 9C FSC code for Apps.

Coding? Yes, you will need to add 609 (ProNav) and replace 6NH with 6NS to get EBT.

vithy · 04-27-2015, 06:58 PM

What about your fem/gw and rem modules? are they also updated to the same level as NBT?

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Originally Posted by cedchung

That's what I did. But at the end I get the same error, request out of range, HU_NBT_63_ETHERNET.

I can't flash anymore. Probably because it's already at the latest version.

kitster · 04-27-2015, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vithy

If it's a F30, you should be able to tap into KCAN2 from ENTRY/CIC quadlok (Pin's 9 and 11)

As far as I know all F30's support CAN2. Mine is a older build than his 03/12.

You learning something everyday. So I'm guessing you would also need the handwriting module to fully utilise the Touch Controller? So does that mean you connect the Touch controller to the handwriting module which in turn connects to the pins 9 and 11?

vithy · 04-27-2015, 09:14 PM

Correct, I wired both my TBX and Touch Controller to the CAN2/BodyCan/BCAN of the CIC/ENTRY/NBT quodlock connector.

12 V - 12 V (Pin1 on TBX and CON)
GRD - GRD (Pin2 on TBX and CON)
Pin9 NBT- CAN2 + (Pin3 TBX and CON)
Pin11 NBT- CAN2 - (Pin4 TBX and CON)

All I did was bring 4 wires to the center console split them to both TBX and CON.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kitster

You learning something everyday. So I'm guessing you would also need the handwriting module to fully utilise the Touch Controller? So does that mean you connect the Touch controller to the handwriting module which in turn connects to the pins 9 and 11?

shawnsheridan · 04-28-2015, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by vithy

Correct, I wired both my TBX and Touch Controller to the CAN2/BodyCan/BCAN of the CIC/ENTRY/NBT quodlock connector.

12 V - 12 V (Pin1 on TBX and CON)
GRD - GRD (Pin2 on TBX and CON)
Pin9 NBT- CAN2 + (Pin3 TBX and CON)
Pin11 NBT- CAN2 - (Pin4 TBX and CON)

All I did was bring 4 wires to the center console split them to both TBX and CON.

I think you have NBT Pins 9 and 11 backwards. NBT Pin 9 should be B-CAN L and Pin 11 should be should be B-CAN H.

vithy · 04-28-2015, 10:36 AM

Shawn, you are right.

Pin9 - CAN2 L (-)
Pin11 - CAN2 H (+)

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Originally Posted by shawnsheridan

I think you have NBT Pins 9 and 11 backwards. NBT Pin 9 should be B-CAN L and Pin 11 should be should be B-CAN H.

smilo · 04-28-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vithy

Shawn, you are right.

Pin9 - CAN2 L (-)
Pin11 - CAN2 H (+)

Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnsheridan

I think you have NBT Pins 9 and 11 backwards. NBT Pin 9 should be B-CAN L and Pin 11 should be should be B-CAN H.

After all, for changing the navigation controller by the new touch controller, do I need replace ECU or not ? (As described before)
I understand from lasts posts that I need new wiring + coding. Other thing to make touch feature operational ?

mightycrown · 05-02-2015, 02:11 PM

Has any one solved the radio problem, there seem to be 2 cables To NBT, however my HU-champ only got one

kabamaru · 05-04-2015, 03:45 AM

Hello guys, one more nbt retrofit in this thread, without your help it would be impossible for me this DIY

I haven't made any coding yet but everything works fine, the language is correct, the bluetooth is ok, the radio, even the navi. This is weird, isn't it? Many people here said that without coding the navi is grey, in my car it works fine. The signal from the gps is very good, i put the gps antenna on the metallic frame under the screen. The donor car of the headunit is a german f10 estate MY 06/2014.
Also the usb is not working at the moment, hopefully it will after coding. I plugged the new usb cable with the usb connector to the green connector of the headunit, not the beige (the beige is for the armrest) and put it in the glovebox.

thehobbit · 05-04-2015, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mightycrown

Has any one solved the radio problem, there seem to be 2 cables To NBT, however my HU-champ only got one

You have to connect only FM1 cable, and disconnect pin 13 on NBT side of quadlock connector and connect it to a switched +12V source. As far as I know this is necessary, at least on cars without amplifier, because in this case pin 13 has already +12V.

BeatB · 05-04-2015, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kabamaru

Hello guys, one more nbt retrofit in this thread, without your help it would be impossible for me this DIY

I haven't made any coding yet but everything works fine, the language is correct, the bluetooth is ok, the radio, even the navi. This is weird, isn't it? Many people here said that without coding the navi is grey, in my car it works fine. The signal from the gps is very good, i put the gps antenna on the metallic frame under the screen. The donor car of the headunit is a german f10 estate MY 06/2014.
Also the usb is not working at the moment, hopefully it will after coding. I plugged the new usb cable with the usb connector to the green connector of the headunit, not the beige (the beige is for the armrest) and put it in the glovebox.

But without coding the NBT still thinks its an F10. For example in PDC mode you will see the image of the F10 car & after right coding you will see the F20 image. Navigation should be greyed out if you dont have the emulator pluged in.

kabamaru · 05-04-2015, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BeatB

But without coding the NBT still thinks its an F10. For example in PDC mode you will see the image of the F10 car & after right coding you will see the F20 image. Navigation should be greyed out if you dont have the emulator pluged in.

Actually the f10 (the donor car) had some options that are not working in my car (e.g. head up display, tyre temperature and pressure monitoring etc). I don't have factory fitted pdc so i can't see the f10 image. But everything else is working fine (except the usb). Even when i go to the car manual menu, everything is for my car (f20) and not f10. I have the emulator plugged in and with no coding the navigation works fine and with voice instructions in my language. I can't explain this. The EBT is not activated.

mightycrown · 05-04-2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thehobbit

You have to connect only FM1 cable, and disconnect pin 13 on NBT side of quadlock connector and connect it to a switched +12V source. As far as I know this is necessary, at least on cars without amplifier, because in this case pin 13 has already +12V.

Yes I v heard this. But I am not sure where I can get a good source of 12v. I
also heard that you could tap 12v into the diversity device.
Have you done this yourself? does your radio work as well as it was with HUentry? I want to ensure that these really work.

thehobbit · 05-06-2015, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mightycrown

Yes I v heard this. But I am not sure where I can get a good source of 12v. I
also heard that you could tap 12v into the diversity device.
Have you done this yourself? does your radio work as well as it was with HUentry? I want to ensure that these really work.

The 12V source nearest NBT is cigarette lighter.
Yes, I've done this by myself, and radio works well, almost the same than with HU_CHAMP2.

mightycrown · 05-07-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by thehobbit

The 12V source nearest NBT is cigarette lighter.
Yes, I've done this by myself, and radio works well, almost the same than with HU_CHAMP2.

alright, Thanks for your confirmation. One more question, will this source keep on supplying power even after locking or shut down the car?

thehobbit · 05-08-2015, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mightycrown

alright, Thanks for your confirmation. One more question, will this source keep on supplying power even after locking or shut down the car?

No, as an accessory power outlet, it will last few minutes after shutdown/locking.

kucukprens54 · 05-09-2015, 09:01 AM

hi friends
on f10 to retrofit a nbt I cancelled combox and rewired mic cable to nbt
everything works except mic
anyone having a bright idea to help ???

kitster · 05-09-2015, 09:04 AM

Mic should just work. What connectors did you hook the wires to? Also double check you have the +ve and -ve the right way round.

BeatB · 05-09-2015, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kucukprens54

hi friends
on f10 to retrofit a nbt I cancelled combox and rewired mic cable to nbt
everything works except mic
anyone having a bright idea to help ???

I had a issue with the microphone aswell. My emulator connectors popped out when I plugged it in the nbt unit. Maybe its the same for you. Check it.

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