...and I'm still not the wiser. Help!!!!!!!

Meds · 03-17-2014, 07:35 AM

Yup, it's me again....still confused/undecided.

So, the question is this...

On a F30 325D M Sport with the M Sport Plus Pack, would you rather:

Option A:
Professional Navigation

Option B:
Business Navigation Plus
Full Black Panel Display
Adaptive Suspension

The ONLY reason Professional is still an option is for two reasons:
1. Larger screen
2. RTTI

I'm not that fussed around the apps etc so could, in theory, only spec. Business Navigation and not add the Navigation Plus add-on.

So the question is, how much better is RTTI over TCP? And the 8 inch screen over the 6.5?

chiark · 03-17-2014, 07:42 AM

For me, active suspension was a must. I ended up with pro nav + adaptive, and blowing the budget slightly

mostly because the screen really finishes the car nicely. Odd reason, but worth it to me.

Alkidrew · 03-17-2014, 07:43 AM

I have the bus nav and its absolutely fine. Reports traffic jams etc and works well.

I'd go for

Option C:
Business Navigation Plus
Visibility Pack
Adaptive suspension

Vis pack is only £200ish, I think the black panel is £150ish so easy swap. Adaptive/HBA lighting is much more impressive than black panel display.

Zippeh · 03-17-2014, 07:44 AM

I don't have any of the above, but I'd guess that if you're a "keen" driver, then surely the adaptive suspension is more important? Or if you're doing longer journeys and need the better screen fro sat nav, go with the Pro Nav.

Dave_3 · 03-17-2014, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Zippeh

I don't have any of the above, but I'd guess that if you're a "keen" driver, then surely the adaptive suspension is more important?

I think the adaptive suspension suits every type of driver, as its name suggests. It works very well indeed. In normal (on my 430D sDrive) it is fantastically poised and taut, and still very comfortable. I'm delighted I optioned it.

The Sport setting is noticeably more crashy, not sure it actually helps over some surfaces.

D.

Meds · 03-17-2014, 07:53 AM

I know this probably makes me sound like a nutter, but really not feeling the Visibility Pack as the Adaptive Lights are not something that I'm 100% sold on. Have a demo coming Friday, which hopefully has this feature so that I can experience it in the flesh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alkidrew

I have the bus nav and its absolutely fine. Reports traffic jams etc and works well.

I'd go for

Option C:
Business Navigation Plus
Visibility Pack
Adaptive suspension

Vis pack is only £200ish, I think the black panel is £150ish so easy swap. Adaptive/HBA lighting is much more impressive than black panel display.

Sabo · 03-17-2014, 08:20 AM

I wouldn't bother with adaptive as it's not a very good system on the f30's(shared with the f20's) also quite a few people reported issues (like knocking sound) and the standard passive Msport suspension just right unless you want xdrive in that case you need it to make it a bit harder ride.
Pro nav does make the dash look great

NISFAN · 03-17-2014, 08:23 AM

I would pay extra to delete adaptive suspension. Unless you drive like Grandad it sucks.

Dave_3 · 03-17-2014, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NISFAN

I would pay extra to delete adaptive suspension. Unless you drive like Grandad it sucks.

That's not what I find. Certainly, I'm not door-handling my car round every corner but I find it a great improvement over the E92 Msport suspension.

D.

F30AM · 03-17-2014, 08:33 AM

Option B without a doubt. The Adaptive Suspension is THE essential option IMO.

Tengocity · 03-17-2014, 08:37 AM

On an sdrive car down south where the roads are busy and back road handling isn't something one does a lot, then I'd take the Pro Nav for the RTTI, which is handy round here with the busy roads.

If I was back living in Scotland still then I may go the other way, as the ability to soften or firm the suspension depending on how crap or how twisty the raods are is something I'd use more.

On an xdrive car then it would definitely be the adaptive suspension.

dopper99 · 03-17-2014, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NISFAN

I would pay extra to delete adaptive suspension. Unless you drive like Grandad it sucks.

That’s cos you are not driving your car properly.

You are driving it how it was not intended (ie like a sports car). Lets not forget the F30 is a family/rep car.

PrinceBarin · 03-17-2014, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tengocity

On an sdrive car down south where the roads are busy and back road handling isn't something one does a lot, then I'd take the Pro Nav for the RTTI, which is handy round here with the busy roads.

If I was back living in Scotland still then I may go the other way, as the ability to soften or firm the suspension depending on how crap or how twisty the raods are is something I'd use more.

On an xdrive car then it would definitely be the adaptive suspension.

Exactly this^

For me the adaptive is the more compelling option overall (particularly since you are getting business nav) but regard for how/where you will use the car in reaching a decision is great advice.

Black panel display is the last thing you should pay for as an option. It comes as standard with every option that uses it so, if it's not standard equipment with your spec, it's not needed. Unless you truly value the aesthetic appeal, I would recommend investing the cash in something else first. If it helps, I've had my F30 for 2 years and never once thought "that instrument cluster is rubbish, I wish I'd specced 'extended display'". Still, I'll admit it looks nicer

....,,,,..,,.. · 03-17-2014, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meds

I know this probably makes me sound like a nutter, but really not feeling the Visibility Pack as the Adaptive Lights are not something that I'm 100% sold on. Have a demo coming Friday, which hopefully has this feature so that I can experience it in the flesh.

A lot depends on how long you plan to keep the car for.

With the vis pack, it changes your final future value element, however monthly amount should stay same or so.

I believe you can also have the function on manual, so you just get xenons working and not adaptive.. Needs checked.

Bus nav comes with a lot of functions, however pro media / nav looks good.

If you do not use sat nav much or worried about larger display, then go for business media / media plus.

MWA · 03-17-2014, 09:14 AM

Having adaptive, wouldn't spec the car without. Considering you would still have a nav, id go with adaptive

chiark · 03-17-2014, 09:16 AM

Anyone want to take a bet that Meds ends up with both?

(The power of the internet)

PrinceBarin · 03-17-2014, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiark

Anyone want to take a bet that Meds ends up with both?

(The power of the internet)

Fact.

Meds · 03-17-2014, 09:29 AM

I certainly wouldn't bet against it!!

D@mn you all!!!!!!!!!!!! ha!

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiark

Anyone want to take a bet that Meds ends up with both?

(The power of the internet)

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceBarin

Fact.

M4dski11z · 03-17-2014, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_3

I think the adaptive suspension suits every type of driver, as its name suggests. It works very well indeed. In normal (on my 430D sDrive) it is fantastically poised and taut, and still very comfortable. I'm delighted I optioned it.

The Sport setting is noticeably more crashy, not sure it actually helps over some surfaces.

D.

The 420d I've been driving doesn't have Adaptive and it handles like a go-kart compared to my 335d. I can't see why a 4 would need adaptive as it is very posied and extremely chuckable. The confidance this car gives you around bends, corners and roundabouts is amazing. The 335d is another matter, I wished I specced adaptive.

As the OP is not going for an XDrive model he'll have RWD, Msport suspension, thicker ARBs and a lighter engine (vs the 6 cyl). You may not need it.

deeno · 03-17-2014, 09:53 AM

What kind of driving would you do Meds? Are you the kind of guy that gets 10k out of a set of tyres? That pushes your car close to the limit on twisty roads? If so get Adaptive. If your an average driver that will just be using it on commutes, family days out etc with the occasional bit of fun then you could definitely live without it, you would find the standard suspension absolutely
fine.

NISFAN · 03-17-2014, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopper99

That’s cos you are not driving your car properly.

You are driving it how it was not intended (ie like a sports car). Lets not forget the F30 is a family/rep car.

It's got 300 horses for Chris'sakes....and I am a firm believer of keeping animals well exercised. Seems cruel to only exercise a few of them...

...but as I said....if you drive like Grandad

NISFAN · 03-17-2014, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deeno

What kind of driving would you do Meds? Are you the kind of guy that gets 10k out of a set of tyres? That pushes your car close to the limit on twisty roads? If so get Adaptive. If your an average driver that will just be using it on commutes, family days out etc with the occasional bit of fun then you could definitely live without it, you would find the standard suspension absolutely
fine.

I think you have it 100% the wrong way around.

.....my car is faster on my 'hoon' track without the adaptive......by a long margin.

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Meds Lieutenant 73 Rep 564 Posts Drives: F30 328i M Sport + Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Watford (displaced Yank!) iTrader: (0)	...and I'm still not the wiser. Help!!!!!!! Yup, it's me again....still confused/undecided. So, the question is this... On a F30 325D M Sport with the M Sport Plus Pack, would you rather: Option A: Professional Navigation Option B: Business Navigation Plus Full Black Panel Display Adaptive Suspension The ONLY reason Professional is still an option is for two reasons: 1. Larger screen 2. RTTI I'm not that fussed around the apps etc so could, in theory, only spec. Business Navigation and not add the Navigation Plus add-on. So the question is, how much better is RTTI over TCP? And the 8 inch screen over the 6.5?
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chiark Lieutenant 14 Rep 459 Posts Drives: F31 330D 2014 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (1)	For me, active suspension was a must. I ended up with pro nav + adaptive, and blowing the budget slightly mostly because the screen really finishes the car nicely. Odd reason, but worth it to me.
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Alkidrew Captain 61 Rep 949 Posts Drives: F31 325d M Sport GS Join Date: May 2013 Location: Surrey iTrader: (0)	I have the bus nav and its absolutely fine. Reports traffic jams etc and works well. I'd go for Option C: Business Navigation Plus Visibility Pack Adaptive suspension Vis pack is only £200ish, I think the black panel is £150ish so easy swap. Adaptive/HBA lighting is much more impressive than black panel display.
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Zippeh Captain 345 Rep 926 Posts Drives: F82 M4 Manual 2015 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Wales iTrader: (0)	I don't have any of the above, but I'd guess that if you're a "keen" driver, then surely the adaptive suspension is more important? Or if you're doing longer journeys and need the better screen fro sat nav, go with the Pro Nav.
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Sabo Lieutenant 62 Rep 565 Posts Drives: F21 M140i Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Warwickshire iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't bother with adaptive as it's not a very good system on the f30's(shared with the f20's) also quite a few people reported issues (like knocking sound) and the standard passive Msport suspension just right unless you want xdrive in that case you need it to make it a bit harder ride. Pro nav does make the dash look great
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F30AM Major General 706 Rep 5,021 Posts Drives: F30 330d M Sport sDrive Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: London, UK iTrader: (0)	Option B without a doubt. The Adaptive Suspension is THE essential option IMO. __________________ Previous: Superman 330d sDrive M Sport + Toys Present: Red Tornado Golf 7R 5 Dr, DSG + Toys
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