[bcl0328]

i don't get why people are complaining about having more choices? why do you think mcdonald's does so well? different strokes for different folks. not all people like the 3-series so now they can look at the 4-series GC if they want 4-door.

[OverDriven]

Originally Posted by bcl0328

i don't get why people are complaining about having more choices? why do you think mcdonald's does so well? different strokes for different folks. not all people like the 3-series so now they can look at the 4-series GC if they want 4-door.

And where does McDonalds fall on the scale of food quality? Terrible analogy. Or maybe not.

[Kiemyster]

so hold up, there will be an M3 variant and an M4 variant, as well as an M4 GC variant? they better not fuck us all together and just make M4 and M4GC and dump the M3.... but they wont do that. lol. but this will draw attention away from the "legendary" M3..... god damn you bmw....

just stop joining the headlights to t kidney grills and maybe I can support these decisions... until then!

[Kiemyster]

let me also just say, i am mindfucked reading this:

F30 3 Series Sedan
F31 3 Series Touring
F32 4 Series Coupe
F33 4 Series Convertible
F34 3 Series (GT) Gran Touring
F35 3 Series Long Wheelbase (China only)
F36 4 Series Gran Coupe

does not make sense.

[bcl0328]

Originally Posted by OverDriven

And where does McDonalds fall on the scale of food quality? Terrible analogy. Or maybe not.

not about the quality, it's about the sales. mcdonald's is everywhere globally and is ranked #1. i think chic-fil-a is way better personally. i just think more choices draws in more customers. that's why they added those new quarter pounder burgers. who needed those?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Kiemyster

let me also just say, i am mind------ reading this:

does not make sense.

What doesn't make sense about it? Do you also find the 5/6 lineup tough to comprehend?

[Pentium]

Ouch, that will be a great idea as I see!

[HJV]

Why didn't they make F30 3-series look like this?

It would have sold in the tens of millions.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by HJV

Why didn't they make F30 3-series look like this?

It would have sold in the tens of millions.

This car will have a very small rear seat and much less trunk space than the F30. It's pretty but not for everyone.

[Kiemyster]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

What doesn't make sense about it? Do you also find the 5/6 lineup tough to comprehend?

lolol no i just feel its crazy to have a 3 series touring, and grand touring... why have both? i mean... its just a little ridiculous how BMW is trying to fill every single niche market possible.... while i fully understand what they are doing and why, its just a bit upsetting.

How much different can the two be? I am assuming the touring and sedan will have identical front and rear tail lights and lines, whereas the GT will be more bloated? just trying to understand how the two will differ. can someone shine some light on this for me please?

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by Kiemyster

lolol no i just feel its crazy to have a 3 series touring, and grand touring... why have both? i mean... its just a little ridiculous how BMW is trying to fill every single niche market possible.... while i fully understand what they are doing and why, its just a bit upsetting.

How much different can the two be? I am assuming the touring and sedan will have identical front and rear tail lights and lines, whereas the GT will be more bloated? just trying to understand how the two will differ. can someone shine some light on this for me please?

99% of the time I am a defender of BMW's model proliferation strategy, because I can see it from their point of view and I think it benefits customers.

But...even I can't understand the coexistence of the 3GT and the X4. I realize that they sit on different platforms and probably have different target markets. However, untrained eyes might not be able to tell one from the other, literally.

[cmk227]

Originally Posted by bcl0328

not about the quality, it's about the sales. mcdonald's is everywhere globally and is ranked #1. i think chic-fil-a is way better personally. i just think more choices draws in more customers. that's why they added those new quarter pounder burgers. who needed those?

Well if you look at In N Out they have 3 choices and do extremely well.

If it work don't screw it up by driving cost up. I bet most part that are unique will cost a fortune to replace.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by cmk227

Well if you look at In N Out they have 3 choices and do extremely well.

Actually I'd say that In-N-Out uses a very small number of ingredients and packages them in a lot of different ways depending on what the customer wants. Same with Chipotle, and with Taco Bell on a much larger scale but at a lower quality level.

This is BMWs approach. All these cars we're seeing did not each require their own complete product development cycle, the interiors are much the same across all of them, and the N20 and N55 are in just about everything now. And on and on. It's platform engineering.

[pkimM3r]

$100 that it doesnt look as good as this rendering. Lol

The front on this car looks much better than the actual msport f32.

[SCOTT26]

Another Render , although a bit more 3er than 4er.

[Doctor///M]

A 4-door 4 series. Please tell me that there is nothing wrong about that... or not.

[sal501]

When can one order F36? Spring of 2014?

[antzcrashing]

4 series and 3 series are so similar, 4GC wont be worth the premium over 3 - not to mention options for 4s will be more that 3s

GC makes sense for 6 series

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

4 series and 3 series are so similar, 4GC wont be worth the premium over 3 - not to mention options for 4s will be more that 3s

GC makes sense for 6 series

Gran Coupe makes sense for the 4er because there is a change in the market.
There are customers who overlook the traditional Coupe because it is impractical for their other requirements.

The 4er Gran Coupe will be the lowest Four door within the BMW portfolio and other traits over a regular 3er will be exclusivity , sportier styling and a far more dynamic car than a regular 3er.

Some may say its just a 3er but there are key significant differences within the new car to distinguish 3er from 4er.

The 4er Gran Coupe will be the first premium entry sized Four door Coupe in its segment.

The 2er Gran Coupe will be the entry model and is aimed at showing the recent arrivals of the A3 Sedan and Mercedes-Benz CLA how to do a small sporting sedan given recent German first drives have singled out both for lack of driving pleasure. All roads are not just straight.

[sal501]

Scott, when is the 4 GC Concept preview?

[sal501]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Gran Coupe makes sense for the 4er because there is a change in the market.
There are customers who overlook the traditional Coupe because it is impractical for their other requirements.

The 4er Gran Coupe will be the lowest Four door within the BMW portfolio and other traits over a regular 3er will be exclusivity , sportier styling and a far more dynamic car than a regular 3er.

Some may say its just a 3er but there are key significant differences within the new car to distinguish 3er from 4er.

The 4er Gran Coupe will be the first premium entry sized Four door Coupe in its segment.

The 2er Gran Coupe will be the entry model and is aimed at showing the recent arrivals of the A3 Sedan and Mercedes-Benz CLA how to do a small sporting sedan given recent German first drives have singled out both for lack of driving pleasure. All roads are not just straight.

Scott, All marketing BS aside, whoever is in charge of 4er, please convey a message that changing sheet metal and using usual jargon doesn't equate to a premium segment. Now that a fellow member has shown how trivial it is to develop hexagonal connected lights, it behooves me that BMW can come up with excuses like cost of development and premiumness to not put the lights on the car. If BMW is indeed trying to develop a premium 4 door coupe, they need to actually deliver rather than pack the same menu under a different McDonald offering. If the lights will flow down from 7 --> 3 for next model refreshes or LCI, it is an epic fail.

I know you like to put buzz words for marketing, but for once I would like to see you acknowledge the bait and switch marketing, that upsells the same shit at different price by calling the new model premium!

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by sal501

Scott, All marketing BS aside, whoever is in charge of 4er, please convey a message that changing sheet metal and using usual jargon doesn't equate to a premium segment. Now that a fellow member has shown how trivial it is to develop hexagonal connected lights, it behooves me that BMW can come up with excuses like cost of development and premiumness to not put the lights on the car. If BMW is indeed trying to develop a premium 4 door coupe, they need to actually deliver rather than pack the same menu under a different McDonald offering. If the lights will flow down from 7 --> 3 for next model refreshes or LCI, it is an epic fail.

I know you like to put buzz words for marketing, but for once I would like to see you acknowledge the bait and switch marketing, that upsells the same shit at different price by calling the new model premium!

I have previously covered this but the designer of the look of the headlights , in which BMW have a design patent on , arrived at BMW in 2012. The BMW F32 was already testing at that point with full engineering already accounted for .

The car was in final real-world development having already had its budget for design , engineering and production requirements.

The headlights is something very much considered for future production , but BMW have gone beyond LED lighting technology with new Laser Headlights that perform better than conventional LED headlights.
There is another manufacturer that specialises in LEDs above everything else if everybody is that concerned about lighting over everything else then perhaps a BMW is not for you.

But if we take the 6er as an example 9 out of 10 cars leave the factory with the adaptive LED headlights , and is one of the most requested options on a 6er.
With what BMW charge for LEDs that if you add everything up you can see why BMW include as an optional extra.
A similar pattern is happening with the 7er also.

I have gone over the differences regarding the F32 and F30 that now you just have to wait and see it in the metal. As those who have seen it can testify that the car is sleeker , lower and wider than the F30 and has a more sportier look between the two cars thanks to the wider track allowing details to be stretched across the face and rear of the car.