F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > BMWUSA 2013 3 Series Configurator now LIVE, with F30 M Sport, xDrive, Activehybrid
proTUNING Freaks
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      06-27-2012, 02:35 PM   #89
Itgb
Second Lieutenant
United_States
82
Rep
244
Posts

Drives: 2011 E91
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: San Diego

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by swifty View Post
anyone here know what's the difference between the msport suspension and sport suspension?
No difference.
__________________
E91 328i | B8 A4 Avant | Past: MK7 GTI, W211 E55, P2 S60, E46 M3, W201 190E 2.3-16
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 02:41 PM   #90
Red Bread
Major General
United_States
4462
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: Smog machines
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Austin, TX

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chips335d View Post
WHAT is up with all the Diesel bashing? All you 'd' haters are the exact reason why BMW is sending us over the boring Active Hybrid 3 and 5 instead of awesome cars like the new 330d or 535d.
It's a result of the lackluster choices we've been given here in the US. The 335d was a dud, not as fast as an F30 328i and no more efficient, plus auto only and the increased upfront and maintenance costs. It's cool, but sort of pointless.

I used to work in Germany and frequently drove various BMW diesels and the midline cars that were much more efficient, available with manuals and still able to hit 250 on the Autobahn were what made the most sense.

So far they aren't offering the 335d for the ROW, the 330d being the largest diesel, and the brilliant N47, of which there are various versions, including the one in the 525d that would be great in a US diesel.

I worked in Frankfurt from 2003-2007 and would have gladly bought a good diesel from the moment I returned. No one has offered a good choice in the US (VW continues to use a timing belt and requires a 40k mile belt change) and BMW continues to make bad decisions like the 335d and the Hybrid. Audi keeps threatening to offer diesels in each US model, including the A4, maybe they'll get it right.
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 02:47 PM   #91
Cortexiphan
Major
Cortexiphan's Avatar
1968
Rep
1,184
Posts

Drives: 24' BMW iX
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by swifty View Post
Go for the 328i and you could get fully loaded without cold weather for 50k + tax & license. I just checked with my sales guy in the states.
Personaly I'd rather go with completely base 335i rather than fully loaded M sport 328i
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 03:05 PM   #92
S_M
Lieutenant
United_States
67
Rep
549
Posts

Drives: Many
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: X5

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCali E90 View Post
i cant believe how expensive the 3 series has become.
2011 e90 328i MSRP = $34,600
2012 f30 328i MSRP = $34,900

2011 e90 335i MSRP = $42,050
2012 f30 335i MSRP = $42,400

Granted the the 13's are more due to the inlusion of more standard features, but the initial e90 to f30 increase was minimal... definitely worth the extra $300
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 03:10 PM   #93
yellowllewellyn
Private
18
Rep
77
Posts

Drives: 2014 335i xDrive
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ky

iTrader: (0)

There no choice for manual transmission on the Msport pack xDrive. Why? Or am I over looking it
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 03:32 PM   #94
darksilkx1
Lieutenant
155
Rep
491
Posts

Drives: Monthly Payment
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCali E90 View Post
i cant believe how expensive the 3 series has become.
+1. Having configured the car the way I want I cant believe it but I am seriously beginning to question if the Audi A6 is not a better value proposition at my price point of approx $52 grand . While I know the drives are night and day, you cant beat the options Audi is throwing in at the price.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 03:34 PM   #95
darksilkx1
Lieutenant
155
Rep
491
Posts

Drives: Monthly Payment
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itgb View Post
No difference.
What about between M Sport and Adaptive M? As if this weren't confusing enough.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 03:36 PM   #96
martinf79
Captain
martinf79's Avatar
189
Rep
802
Posts

Drives: 2020 G05 X5 M50i
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by martinf79 View Post
Checking this w/ my head office contact in Canada ...
Just checked w/ head office in Canada - new iDrive is definitely (100%) not going to be released on MY2013 F30s other than AH3. BMW (as w/ most smart organizations) hold off on rolling out new-news all at once. This way they can maintain steady customer interest (as sales would slowly die off if they launched w/ all models and options in year 1 - ie. launch base F30, M Sport, M3, Coupe, Wagon, new iDrive, 335M, 335is, 340i, etc). What would sales figures look like for the next 5 years of the products lifecycle? This way there is constant flow of new enhancements and value add being funnelled into the marketing engine.

I personally would like to get the most bang for my buck and get a model early in its lifecycle (year 1 is usually buggy, but year 2 most bugs worked out) and your car still looks like the new 2017 model 5 years from now)... as opposed to buying the decked out, fully updated, fastest version of a soon to be obsolete model the year before the new gen version is launched.

Also confirmed that M Sport Suspension and M Sport Adaptive Suspension are both droped by the same height - 10mm (as we suspected)...
__________________
2020 X5 M50i | 2015 X3 28i xLine | Retired 2013 335i M Sport
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 03:47 PM   #97
Shane550X
Private First Class
Shane550X's Avatar
United_States
128
Rep
156
Posts

Drives: '18 M550i xDrive, '13 VW CC,
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

MORRISTOWN BMW
Excellent service and as kind as can be!

Great deals too!
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 03:55 PM   #98
e92miami
Second Lieutenant
e92miami's Avatar
United_States
35
Rep
280
Posts

Drives: W205 C300
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Boca Raton FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by darksilkx1 View Post
+1. Having configured the car the way I want I cant believe it but I am seriously beginning to question if the Audi A6 is not a better value proposition at my price point of approx $52 grand . While I know the drives are night and day, you cant beat the options Audi is throwing in at the price.
A6 with S Sport and Bose is starting at 56k once you get some goodies you are over 60k a very similar optioned out F30 M Sport is about 54k
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 04:34 PM   #99
Propagator
Captain
14
Rep
808
Posts

Drives: 2011 328i LMB 6MT
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e92miami View Post
A6 with S Sport and Bose is starting at 56k once you get some goodies you are over 60k a very similar optioned out F30 M Sport is about 54k
Audi will offer the A6 2.0T Quattro + ZF 8spd AT from 2013 model year. A well equipped Premium Plus version will start under $50K. I suspect a similarly equipped F30 xDrive will cost about the same as this model.

The A6 2.0T will of course be slower, but it's also a better car in many other areas. The A6 is also supposed to be sportier than the 5er.

My E90 328i is very lightly equipped M-sport model. If I build a F30 M-sport with similar option content, it comes out to be ~$4K more. Of course the F30 has some of the things that my 328i is missing, most notably iDrive and basic Bluetooth. But still, it seems you do pay quite a bit for the extra interior room + improved power and efficiency.
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 04:46 PM   #100
verbs
Captain
77
Rep
665
Posts

Drives: 2015 M235i
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Zona

iTrader: (0)

A little confused...getting navigation as a standalone option on bmwconfig.com allows me to just pay for Navigation, and enhanced bluetooth/USB comes with it at no extra charge. The BMWUSA site is trying to force me to get the Enhanced Bluetooth/USB for $650 which I wouldn't want to pay extra for. Does anyone know if you have to pay for Enhanced Bluetooth/USB if you just want Nav as a standalone option?
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 04:54 PM   #101
ric124
Colonel
ric124's Avatar
Jamaica
452
Rep
2,148
Posts

Drives: F87 M2 BSM MT
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: South Florida

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2017 BMW M2  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by verbs View Post
A little confused...getting navigation as a standalone option on bmwconfig.com allows me to just pay for Navigation, and enhanced bluetooth/USB comes with it at no extra charge. The BMWUSA site is trying to force me to get the Enhanced Bluetooth/USB for $650 which I wouldn't want to pay extra for. Does anyone know if you have to pay for Enhanced Bluetooth/USB if you just want Nav as a standalone option?
I just did it on bmwusa.com if you add it, yes it shows $650 but on the charge list on the right after you accept change it says $0
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 04:57 PM   #102
Remonster
Lieutenant Colonel
United_States
821
Rep
1,583
Posts

Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by swifty View Post
anyone here know what's the difference between the msport suspension and sport suspension?
The car comes standard with passive dampers, just like the E90. If you get the sports suspension, it's the exact same but the car is a little lower.

Adaptive M suspension allows you to choose different levels of suspension stiffness in the different modes (Comfort, Normal, Sport) and I think it is adaptive within those modes like the E9x M3's EDC but I'm not entirely sure.
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 05:09 PM   #103
swifty
Colonel
314
Rep
2,448
Posts

Drives: F80, Levante & Tesla 100D
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: canada

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by martinf79 View Post
Also confirmed that M Sport Suspension and M Sport Adaptive Suspension are both droped by the same height - 10mm (as we suspected)...
Are you saying that msport is 10mm lower than sport line. Do you know if it will be significantly stiffer or same as sportline.
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 05:13 PM   #104
Alpine F31
Colonel
Alpine F31's Avatar
United_States
918
Rep
2,711
Posts

Drives: MB E350 4MATIC Estate
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpratt34 View Post
I tried building a M-Sport with red seats, and it changes to a sports line. Every option I selected changed my base car. I've lost interest.
I just built an Alpine white M Sport with Coral red seats, no problem....
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 05:21 PM   #105
martinf79
Captain
martinf79's Avatar
189
Rep
802
Posts

Drives: 2020 G05 X5 M50i
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Remonster View Post
The car comes standard with passive dampers, just like the E90. If you get the sports suspension, it's the exact same but the car is a little lower.

Adaptive M suspension allows you to choose different levels of suspension stiffness in the different modes (Comfort, Normal, Sport) and I think it is adaptive within those modes like the E9x M3's EDC but I'm not entirely sure.
Drop is the same (confirmed w/ head office). Both are 10mm lower than stock suspension.
__________________
2020 X5 M50i | 2015 X3 28i xLine | Retired 2013 335i M Sport
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 05:35 PM   #106
Ron Scott
Captain
85
Rep
632
Posts

Drives: 2013 335 M Sport
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Long Island

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortexiphan View Post
Personaly I'd rather go with completely base 335i rather than fully loaded M sport 328i
Of course. But it's best to look at 335 as an option, like everything else, instead of as a different car. If $$ is the issue your can make better trade offs than downsizing to a 328...
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 05:35 PM   #107
iceman335
Private First Class
31
Rep
176
Posts

Drives: 2012 F25 X3 xDrive35i M-Sport
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Jose, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by yerffejleahcim View Post
I tried building a M-Sport Alpine White with Coral red. Found out this combination is not possible. Hehe.
Hope they fix it soon!
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 05:57 PM   #108
ric124
Colonel
ric124's Avatar
Jamaica
452
Rep
2,148
Posts

Drives: F87 M2 BSM MT
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: South Florida

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2017 BMW M2  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by swifty
Quote:
Originally Posted by martinf79 View Post
Also confirmed that M Sport Suspension and M Sport Adaptive Suspension are both droped by the same height - 10mm (as we suspected)...
Are you saying that msport is 10mm lower than sport line. Do you know if it will be significantly stiffer or same as sportline.
M-sport and sport line has the same suspension.
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 06:34 PM   #109
Mahzari
Captain
Iran
57
Rep
742
Posts

Drives: poorly
Join Date: May 2010
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Why the hell is the hybrid based on the N55? I doubt it'll get any better mileage than the 328i
Appreciate 0
      06-27-2012, 06:45 PM   #110
cncmastr
Colonel
cncmastr's Avatar
United_States
1566
Rep
2,399
Posts

Drives: E46 ZCP, F85, E70, G07
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Outside Atlanta

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2018 X5 M  [0.00]
2020 M2 CS  [0.00]
2005 BMW X5 4.8is  [0.00]
2006 BMW M3  [0.00]
I know it's been mentioned, but it's lame-sauce that we don't get the M cloth interior.
__________________
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
3 series f30, 3 series f30 forum, 3 series forum, 3-series forum, bmw 3 series f30, bmw 3 series forum, bmw 3-series f30, bmw 3-series forum, bmw f30, bmw f30 3 series, bmw f30 3-series, bmw f30 forum, f30 3 series, f30 3 series forum, f30 3-series, f30 328i m sport, f30 335i m sport, f30 forum, f30 forums, f30 m sport, f30 m-sport

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:13 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST