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      09-03-2013, 01:12 PM   #45
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I can't help but think this will be a tough sell when there is a cheaper 3 series (with a better looking front end IMO). Also, since this will probably be a few grand more than a standard 4 series, you're also creeping up into the 5 series price range as well.

Let's hope there is an amazing interior.
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      09-03-2013, 01:18 PM   #46
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I can't help but think this will be a tough sell when there is a cheaper 3 series (with a better looking front end IMO). Also, since this will probably be a few grand more than a standard 4 series, you're also creeping up into the 5 series price range as well.

Let's hope there is an amazing interior.
Interior is the same as the 4 Series - see the link to the photo in the first post.
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      09-03-2013, 01:20 PM   #47
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its nice but I don't see why it is needed over a regular 3, they look so similar.
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I can't help but think this will be a tough sell when there is a cheaper 3 series (with a better looking front end IMO). Also, since this will probably be a few grand more than a standard 4 series, you're also creeping up into the 5 series price range as well.

Let's hope there is an amazing interior.
Let's compare the differnce between Audi A4 and Audi A5 Sportback. The difference with the same engine is 2000 EUR and I think the A5 is better equipped.
If this will be the difference from 3 sedan to 4GC it's ok. Because you probably have a better driving and more use. Maybe the differnce will be more, because here the sandard 4 coupé is better equipped than a standard 3 sedan.
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You can open the trunk fully so that the window rises up as well. That helps carrying big things. So let's see what this benefit will cost the costumer (maybe me) :-)
Thats the 5GT that does that. Not the 6GC.
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Thats the 5GT that does that. Not the 6GC.
Be not so sure if you talk about the 4 GC.
We will see... ;-)
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Ok guys. Now I see the reason why Audi isn't selling the A5 Sportback to the US. You simply don't want. In Germany they don't like sedans so much as you do. So who knows if the 4GC will be sold in the US.

I would buy it because it's the best useful+looking model on that platform for me.
I see your point. The 4 series gran coupe is a better looking 3 series, and it's more useful because the back might fully open up. Even if they don't want to call it a sedan, it's basically a sedan. If that's true, the 3 series is not needed, especially if the price difference is small. Why should anyone buy the inferior 3 series? I think they can drop one or the other.
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Same interior as 4 Coupe, which is basically the same as the 3 sedan? I can see people spending extra cash on a 6 series GC, but not the 4.

I had my heart set on a M4 GC as my next car when my 335i lease is up, guess that isn't going to happen. My logic was that the 4 series GC would be different enough from the 335i to justify it, I like variation, and getting a M3 is going to remind me too much of the 335i I have now, the M4 GC would have been just different enough. Might have to look into the new Mercedes C63 which will still have a V8 when it comes out in 1-2 years... Without an Audi RS4, the BMW M3's only real competition will be the AMG C63 (if its still called that), I don't think the ATS-V will be good enough (plus I hate the styling).
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I see your point. The 4 series gran coupe is a better looking 3 series, and it's more useful because the back might fully open up. Even if they don't want to call it a sedan, it's basically a sedan. If that's true, the 3 series is not needed, especially if the price difference is small. Why should anyone buy the inferior 3 series? I think they can drop one or the other.
I think they can live together.
Does VW sell the "CC" in the US?
It's just a better looking Passat an they sell both cars well.
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Let's compare the differnce between Audi A4 and Audi A5 Sportback. The difference with the same engine is 2000 EUR and I think the A5 is better equipped.
If this will be the difference from 3 sedan to 4GC it's ok. Because you probably have a better driving and more use. Maybe the differnce will be more, because here the sandard 4 coupé is better equipped than a standard 3 sedan.
Well in America ('Merica!), the 4 series is equipped exactly the same as the 3 series. The options are nearly identical. If you sit in a 3 series and 4 series, from the driver's seat, you couldn't tell the difference between the two. Maybe the A4 and A5 are different enough to signify better standard equipment, but nothing stands out to distinguish the 3 and 4 series as far as standard equipment. It's like picking through the E90 and E92 order sheets all over again, but with different naming conventions.
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      09-03-2013, 01:45 PM   #55
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Pretty much NOBODY here in Europe would hesitate between an A4 and an A5Sportback if it their price were even.

That coupe ass is so sexy, the sleek silouhette, the roofline
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As in the M4 thread.


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We don't know if there were plans for an M4 Gran Coupe or what the reasons might be for the decision to not have it, but we're very sure there will be no M4 Gran Coupe. Maybe SCOTT26 can shed some lights on the reasoning.

They are very much interested in an M4 Gran Coupe in regards to the same reasons for the existence of an M6 Gran Coupe.
Which against the M5 is more about Performance in an exclusive suit.

But against M5 we have had a delay from the introduction of the M5 to the M6 Gran Coupe of around two and a half years so you looking at a timeframe of under two years before you see an M4 Gran Coupe from the initial Gran Coupe introduction. 4er Gran Coupe will arrive on the market around this time in 2014.

With the arrival of the M6 Gran Coupe which has only been on the market for a few months it is difficult to establish if the car is taking sales from the more established M5. A result will known by this time next year , but BMW like to see new ideas established before pushing ahead with other models.
It gauges the reaction to the initial model to determine if there is demand for existing models.

BMW M will be the opposite bookend to BMWi so there is increased support for further models especially in regards to an increase in M sales in growth markets.
The time period is staggered so that the new M3 and M4 Coupe will have ample opportunity to establish themselves. The M4 Cabrio which is seen testing is still almost a year away as is the BMW X5M.
I would like to add if Gran Coupe sales are strong then there will be an M4 Gran Coupe.
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I think they can live together.
Does VW sell the "CC" in the US?
It's just a better looking Passat an they sell both cars well.
Yes, they sell the VW CC here, and that's all I see on the road actually. I haven't seen an Passat that wasn't a CC lately.


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Pretty much NOBODY here in Europe would hesitate between an A4 and an A5Sportback if it their price were even.

That coupe ass is so sexy, the sleek silouhette, the roofline
So that further proves my point. If nobody would hesitate in Europe, I don't see why people would hesitate in the USA. Both cars are of a similar size, have the same engine choices, and both have 4 doors. They are competing for the same market, but one looks better. Unless the price difference is extreme, I don't see how they can both survive. People will simply buy the better car.
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As I see it:

The F30 is BMW’s more utilitarian small sedan. It has more headroom for rear seat (if not all) passengers, and a larger trunk opening so you can get bigger items in/out.

The 4GC will be BMW’s sportier (looking at least); slightly higher-end; more-expensive small sedan.

The 4GC is probably going to be a popular vehicle, I can see why BMW would build it.
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when's the 1 series gran coupe coming out?
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when's the 1 series gran coupe coming out?
The 1 series will have 4 doors. The 2 series will be the coupé version of the 1 series. So there will be a 2 series gran coupé. So it should follow the theme established by the 5/6 and 3/4 series.
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do they make an RS5 sportback?
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Pretty much an LCI 3 series.

I'm ready to put a 435i badge on my wife's 335i F30. Who would know?

Who. Would. Know??
LOL! Thats what i was thinking !
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I don't see why this iteration was necessary.

Next up... a new 2-door sedan.
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this.
What they said. Ridiculous.... Come one BMW. WHY further the dilution.
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In Europe this will make more sense. Greater price differentiation, established competitors, more engine options with which to differentiate.... All of which adds up to being able to charge more!

Make sense to me! Seriously the way some people around here complain you'd think BMW has set a complex Math problem for you to solve! This is about offering a more emotional choice to the buyer than just the sedan. This isn't the 70s people!
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I don't see why this iteration was necessary.

Next up... a new 2-door sedan.
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M2 gran coupe next...
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Interesting conversation on this, my take is BMW will not build a model where there is no addressable market. Judging from what I see on the roads, Audi has shown that such a market exists and therefore its competitors cannot ignore it, especially BMW.

Whichever way we look at this it's a win-win for all concerned. BMW gets to re-use its investment in the F3x platform to churn out more permutations and thereby recoup their upfront investment (and some). Consumers who want a BMW in this form factor get one and based on the 4 Series it's bound to be great.

If the 4GC or 6GC make no sense to you then you're right and BMW has an alternate model for you. If it does, then you're just the target audience BMW hopes to retain (or attract) from Audi/Mercedes.

Would I buy one, yes ...
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