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Originally Posted by F32

Specialized? Wow...

The M3 since the E36 has been perhaps the least specialized car money can buy. It's too soft and luxurious to be a sports car, yet not comfortable and luxurious enough to be a luxury car. Its performance has always been middle-of-the-road to be competitive with actual performance cars, so what its always ended up as has been a car that is a jack of all trades but a master of none.

I've read your posts in the past. I know you like to troll. You pretend that no car is good enough for you. You always like controversial posts, which leads me to believe you enjoy the extra attention. Fine. But good Lord! Too soft and too luxurious? What has your experience been with e90/92 M3's? Seriously. I hope its more than reading about them and trolling the M3 boards as well.

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Originally Posted by nicknaz

I saw a great license plate frame this weekend on a C5 Z06 (that was street driving Hoosier A6 in 295 front and 335 rear size ) and I think it applies to your situation OP

"Life's too short for boring cars"

If something else will truly make you happy, take the few grand hit and make the switch.

Let me tell my wife that - i will keep you posted

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Originally Posted by drob23

Keep in mind that you got an M3, not really a horizontal apples to apples switch Not that the move isn't awesome...but obviously different factors are at play.

True and false. I never left the f30 with an intention to get an M3. I was only searching for 335i and 328i and 335is. I've just always wanted an M3, and I found a local listing for a short term lease take over. So I jumped on it. But I never compared it to the f30 or vice versa.


I just wanted out of the f30, and wanted to give myself time to re-evaluate my options. Kind of like getting out of a bad relation ship and the M3 is my rebound. Not keeping it long term, because truth be told, this is not the car for me either. It's way too much car for my needs. I'm thinking more of a M235i for my next long term car. It seems to suit my needs and expectations better.

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Originally Posted by 300hp

This is an academic view. The reality is you have 65k and you want to buy a used E92 or wait for an F82. This is as real as a comparison can get in the real world. Kind of like why the subject of economics is there in the first place. How to use limited resources.

In a world where we have unlimited resources I think you have a fair point but truth of the matter is there is always the best use of your available resources and going back to you me list, M3 vs C63 vs RS5, I would not pick the RS5, it's not at the same level as the other two

You're missing my point - I'm saying that no matter what choice you made, there are plenty of objective performance measures (since these are obviously performance focused luxury cars) to argue why that is the best car *for you*, perfect 50/50 weight balance, 6.2 NA V8, AWD with torque vectoring.

With the Mazda 6 vs Chevy Malibu, I would find it hard to argue objectively because the cars are very similar.

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Originally Posted by ///M235i

True and false. I never left the f30 with an intention to get an M3. I was only searching for 335i and 328i and 335is. I've just always wanted an M3, and I found a local listing for a short term lease take over. So I jumped on it. But I never compared it to the f30 or vice versa.


I just wanted out of the f30, and wanted to give myself time to re-evaluate my options. Kind of like getting out of a bad relation ship and the M3 is my rebound. Not keeping it long term, because truth be told, this is not the car for me either.

What's wrong with the M3???? If that's not doing it for you then I have a feeling that no other sport oriented BMW will. I've gone from M3 to "normal" BMW more times than I care to count, and each time I realize how fantastic the M3 is/was. I'm surprised that you're not really happy with it.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I agree about the specialization aspect of your statement, but I think we're being a bit pedantic by focusing on semantics.

+1

[F32]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I agree about the specialization aspect of your statement, but I think we're being a bit pedantic by focusing on semantics.

Yeah, perhaps.

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What's wrong with the M3???? If that's not doing it for you then I have a feeling that no other sport oriented BMW will. I've gone from M3 to "normal" BMW more times than I care to count, and each time I realize how fantastic the M3 is/was. I'm surprised that you're not really happy with it.

No, no ... nothing wrong with it. I love it! It's just too much car and too much power for me. It's really a lot. Besides I'm a 6MT guy, and a 4.0l V8 is not nearly as much fun in 6MT as I thought. I'm leaving a lot of power and performance on the table. This massive powertrain (V8) is begging for a DCT.

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This thread is waaaaaaay off track! lol

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BTW, my (stock) f30 335i xDrive felt much faster than my e92 f30. In case anyone was wondering. The M3 actually feels like a step down in power. The turbo N55 coupled with the ZF8 is glorious! They both get from 0-60 very fast. They just go about it in different ways. But then again, the M3 has never been about speed.

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Originally Posted by ///M235i

No, no ... nothing wrong with it. I love it! It's just too much car and too much power for me. It's really a lot. Besides I'm a 6MT guy, and a 4.0l V8 is not nearly as much fun in 6MT as I thought. I'm leaving a lot of power and performance on the table. This massive powertrain (V8) is begging for a DCT.

WHAT???? Dude, let me drive your car with you in the passenger seat. I'm convinced that you don't know what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by ///M235i

BTW, my (stock) f30 335i xDrive felt much faster than my e92 f30. In case anyone was wondering. The M3 actually feels like a step down in power. The turbo N55 coupled with the ZF8 is glorious! They both get from 0-60 very fast. They just go about it in different ways. But then again, the M3 has never been about speed.

It's not. You're confusing torque curves (..and the feel associated with a surge of torque in the lower RPM's) with actual progressive power that the M3 generates. Your STOCK 335i xDrive may have felt faster from a dig, but I positively assure you that it is nowhere close. You also don't know how to drive your 6MT M3, so that's another problem altogether.

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

WHAT???? Dude, let me drive your car with you in the passenger seat. I'm convinced that you don't know what you're doing.

Lol! Ok Ricky Bobby. Next time you're in Connecticut let me know and I'll take you up on that.


Have you driven a 6MT e90/92? I used to think like you, until I finally own one and drive it daily. Not as much fun. DCT is absolutely the way to go with these bigger powertrains. Ask Porsche. They know.

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Originally Posted by ///M235i

Lol! Ok Ricky Bobby. Next time you're in Connecticut let me know and I'll take you up on that.


Have you driven a 6MT e90/92? I used to think like you, until I finally own one and drive it daily. Not as much fun. DCT is absolutely the way to go with these bigger powertrains. Ask Porsche. They know.

LOL @ Ricky Bobby! Not even close, BUT I track cars and track/race bikes in the regional California class (..WERA). I know my way around a machine (..and an apex).

...and yes, I've owned two E9X M3's; a sedan and a coupe. I also owned 3 E46 M3's, all of which were 6MT.

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Originally Posted by ///M235i

This thread is waaaaaaay off track! lol

What the hell

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

LOL @ Ricky Bobby! Not even close, BUT I track cars and track/race bikes in the regional California class (..WERA). I know my way around a machine (..and an apex).

...and yes, I've owned two E9X M3's; a sedan and a coupe. I also owned 3 E46 M3's, all of which were 6MT.

Well then I take it back. Apparently you have much more experience with M cars than I do. This is my first M. But my point stands. I do not like the 6MT in this e92 M, and I have had MT's my whole life. DCT (or even a ZF8) would suit this powertrain so much better IMO, and deliver the power much more efficiently. The 6MT is clunky, jerky and seems to be overwhelmed under pressure.

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Originally Posted by NosceTeIpsum

What the hell

To re-focus the board, I recommend starting a thread comparing rwd to xdrive, 328 to 335, or BMW to Lexus (Audi, Caddy). But in honesty, any thread referencing Ricky Bobby is pretty awesome in my book.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's not. You're confusing torque curves (..and the feel associated with a surge of torque in the lower RPM's) with actual progressive power that the M3 generates. Your STOCK 335i xDrive may have felt faster from a dig, but I positively assure you that it is nowhere close. You also don't know how to drive your 6MT M3, so that's another problem altogether.

I test drove the latest Porsche Cayman S. the Cayman S in NA and has about 50lb/ft less TQ than my 35i. The tq in the Cayman S felt stronger than my 35i. I have no idea how to explain why this was the case, maybe the rwd and engine placement has something to do with it

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Back to the OP: since your car is financed, I am sure you can work something out to get into an e90/92 335i or 335is with minimal financial damage. Think about it. No point driving and paying for a car you do not like. You will always regret not doing the switch sooner.

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Originally Posted by drob23

To re-focus the board, I recommend starting a thread comparing rwd to xdrive, 328 to 335, or BMW to Lexus (Audi, Caddy). But in honesty, any thread referencing Ricky Bobby is pretty awesome in my book.

No this is more fun!

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Originally Posted by 300hp

I test drove the latest Porsche Cayman S. the Cayman S in NA and has about 50lb/ft less TQ than my 35i. The tq in the Cayman S felt stronger than my 35i. I have no idea how to explain why this was the case, maybe the rwd and engine placement has something to do with it

Maybe the 600 lbs or so difference?

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Originally Posted by ///M235i

Back to the OP: since your car is financed, I am sure you can work something out to get into an e90/92 335i or 335is with minimal financial damage. Think about it. No point driving and paying for a car you do not like. You will always regret not doing the switch sooner.

Problem solved. Ill shut up and make more the way i like it, i got too many spanking for today, and its monday.