[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by Burnt C6

thanks for all the info "Dinan" I'm getting the exhaust as soon as my BMW dealer calls me back this week. As soon as the DinanTronics comes out for my 2014 it will be going on I don't care what the wife says.

No Problem. Good luck with the wife.

[focal]

Originally Posted by Burnt C6

thanks for all the info "Dinan" I'm getting the exhaust as soon as my BMW dealer calls me back this week. As soon as the DinanTronics comes out for my 2014 it will be going on I don't care what the wife says.

she won't notice as long as you use your own discretionary "no questions asked" bank account.

[Burnt C6]

Originally Posted by focal

she won't notice as long as you use your own discretionary "no questions asked" bank account.

I just happen to have one of those.

[optimaxed]

Hi Dinan_Engineering

Any updated as to when the electrical waste gate version will be released ?

[focal]

Originally Posted by optimaxed

Hi Dinan_Engineering

Any updated as to when the electrical waste gate version will be released ?

you'll definitely hear about it soon enough. the N20 definitely has a huge pent up demand. I chose the N20 over the N55 and this is one of the last pieces I'm waiting to get.

Shame the N20 models will never see a LSD.

[T_flare]

are you planning on developing an intake or should we go aftermarket?

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by optimaxed

Hi Dinan_Engineering

Any updated as to when the electrical waste gate version will be released ?

Soon. Barring something going horribly, horribly wrong I don't see the EWG version being released any later than the middle of November, most likely sooner.

[Larry Chijner]

Lets hope nothing goes horribly wrong. I was shooting for m oct then l Oct now Mid Nov. The most important thing is that it is done right before it is released. Dinan Exhaust goes onto the 428 I this Wednesday and then the EWG Dinatronics will be ordered as soon as released. Patience is a virtue but this is the hardest and longest wait .lol... Larry -Pittsburgh Sewickley BMW

[teapain]

Will there be a Stage 2 eventually? If so, what kind of power increase is expected or targeted? Will I have to back into my dealer and pay the 1.5hr of labor?

Dinan website claimed 268hp and 287lb/ft for stock N20 at the crank, so what were the hp and torque figures at the wheel, both stock and stage 1? And how did Dinan convert them to crank figures?

I currently have JB4 and if the Stage 1 figures are right, I might be calling BMW Seattle this week.

[Dinan_Engineering]

Originally Posted by Larry Chijner

Lets hope nothing goes horribly wrong. I was shooting for m oct then l Oct now Mid Nov. The most important thing is that it is done right before it is released. Dinan Exhaust goes onto the 428 I this Wednesday and then the EWG Dinatronics will be ordered as soon as released. Patience is a virtue but this is the hardest and longest wait .lol... Larry -Pittsburgh Sewickley BMW

Thanks for being patient Larry. Tis much appreciated and we are sure you won't regret the wait.

Originally Posted by teapain

Will there be a Stage 2 eventually? If so, what kind of power increase is expected or targeted? Will I have to back into my dealer and pay the 1.5hr of labor?

Dinan website claimed 268hp and 287lb/ft for stock N20 at the crank, so what were the hp and torque figures at the wheel, both stock and stage 1? And how did Dinan convert them to crank figures?

I currently have JB4 and if the Stage 1 figures are right, I might be calling BMW Seattle this week.

Honestly I don't know if we will be going after a stage 2 tune for the N20. I have heard no definitive plans on a CAI so if it is in the plans it will be a ways out. For upgrades between stages the dealer labor cost is a half hour (typically the minimum a dealership allows to be charged).

Dinan uses a very detailed process for measuring crank numbers. Since we constantly get this question we are actually in the middle of editing some video where we explain our dyno procedures in great detail that we shot last week amongst a myriad of other videos. You should see those starting to come up in the coming week and beyond. The simplified version for rough quick figures is that the drivetrain loss varies by RPM, transmission, and a slew of other variables. The drivetrain loss can vary from as little as 6% at low RPM and as high as 15% in this current generation of BMW's. Typically, however we have measured a 12-13% drivetrain loss as the most common window of max percentages.

[TractionControl=OFF]

will the cost of the dinan power tune go down? $1.5 gs for a power kit which has the same capability as a stage 1 or 2 BMS or JB4 is a little much for anyone... I might as well just trade my car in and get a 335 for a little more

[IndotagSwizz]

We are about to get hit with the "company line" again... and I don't blame them people will always believe what they want to hear even when they aren't shown any proof of it

[focal]

Originally Posted by TractionControl=OFF

will the cost of the dinan power tune go down? $1.5 gs for a power kit which has the same capability as a stage 1 or 2 BMS or JB4 is a little much for anyone... I might as well just trade my car in and get a 335 for a little more

the N20 has a noticeable weight advantage up front. affects handling noticeably for the better.

not everyone wants a N55 engine. The efficiency gains is easily $400-600year in gas savings for the N20

[Dippydo]

Originally Posted by TractionControl=OFF

will the cost of the dinan power tune go down? $1.5 gs for a power kit which has the same capability as a stage 1 or 2 BMS or JB4 is a little much for anyone... I might as well just trade my car in and get a 335 for a little more

And be one of the unfortunate people that blows an engine and be out $25k. That $1500 is pennies. They have already stated a portion of this is the insurance/warranty. If you want to look at it this way you are paying 1k to insure 25k. Even if they are exactly alike which from reading they are not, I rather pay that premium to have the insurance in case of a catastrophic failure.

[Seraphblade@sg]

Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Honestly I don't know if we will be going after a stage 2 tune for the N20. I have heard no definitive plans on a CAI so if it is in the plans it will be a ways out. For upgrades between stages the dealer labor cost is a half hour (typically the minimum a dealership allows to be charged).

Oh my, this is pretty important info... I was about to pull the trigger for the stage 1 (thinking that a stage 2 will eventually be ready and to upgrade for it)...

Perhaps I should just sit out and wait for stage 2 to be confirmed before getting it?

[Seraphblade@sg]

Originally Posted by Dippydo

And be one of the unfortunate people that blows an engine and be out $25k. That $1500 is pennies. They have already stated a portion of this is the insurance/warranty. If you want to look at it this way you are paying 1k to insure 25k. Even if they are exactly alike which from reading they are not, I rather pay that premium to have the insurance in case of a catastrophic failure.

Like you said, it is insurance. Does the engine blow 1 out of 25 times? I doubt so...

And big companies hedges this risk.

And the warranty only covers USA and Canada, it doesn't cover the rest of the world... I very much would like some insurance for a mere 1k as our cars here are around 190k USD (for the 328i) and around 220k( for the 335i). That pretty much could get u like 2 or 3 M3s?

[Larry Chijner]

And be one of the unfortunate people that blows an engine and be out $25k. That $1500 is pennies. They have already stated a portion of this is the insurance/warranty. If you want to look at it this way you are paying 1k to insure 25k. Even if they are exactly alike which from reading they are not, I rather pay that premium to have the insurance in case of a catastrophic failure


AMEN...
We are driving 40,50,60,000 Dollar cars and you expect a 400 Tune to turn the car into a 435 or M4 and be fully warranted.
If the Engine Blows because of a tune that is not warranted by BMW, believe me they are not stupid. They know when people are tampering with the engine with all the computers and diagnostic equipment they have.
I am more than willing to pay the 1500 Dollars to have peace of mind and not have to pay 25,000 for a Blown Engine or whatever one might cost.
Im sure the Burger Tune Stage 1 or JB4 does increase the power and torque etc but I personally cannot and will not take a chance if something goes wrong with my car.
Besides, I know in my heart that the Dinan is a better quality Tune and product.
Everyone looking for a tune has a choice just like when your buying anything . There is no right or wrong. Depends on what you are looking for.
To each their own....

[Dippydo]

Originally Posted by Seraphblade@sg

Like you said, it is insurance. Does the engine blow 1 out of 25 times? I doubt so...

And big companies hedges this risk.

And the warranty only covers USA and Canada, it doesn't cover the rest of the world... I very much would like some insurance for a mere 1k as our cars here are around 190k USD (for the 328i) and around 220k( for the 335i). That pretty much could get u like 2 or 3 M3s?

AC Schnitzer has a tune that will warranty in the other countries. I know guys that have blown their motors on the N54 which is a pretty tough motor with these other tunes that are a lot more developed. Had a friend just two weeks ago blew his up with a popular tune so I know the chances are slim, but there is still a chance and for 1000 bucks I rather not bear all the risks. Because remember, if you blow your motor, not only are you out 25k if they prove you had a tune, the value of your car will tank as well so you lose on both ends.

[sjbushido]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Do you think the power figures will be the same for the 320i? Also will you guys be coming out with a single exit exhaust that works with our bumpers?

Forgive my newbieness.. so those of us who use this in California.. we can't use this? Or will it fail a smog test/etc?

Referring to:
"Currently this product is not legal for sale or use in California, and states that have adopted California emissions standards, on any pollution controlled motor vehicles."

[Seraphblade@sg]

Originally Posted by Dippydo

AC Schnitzer has a tune that will warranty in the other countries. I know guys that have blown their motors on the N54 which is a pretty tough motor with these other tunes that are a lot more developed. Had a friend just two weeks ago blew his up with a popular tune so I know the chances are slim, but there is still a chance and for 1000 bucks I rather not bear all the risks. Because remember, if you blow your motor, not only are you out 25k if they prove you had a tune, the value of your car will tank as well so you lose on both ends.

Agreed, an "insurance" is definitely good... But at the end of the day, it really depends on what the buyer is after...

If he has gotten himself a n20 engine, he probably be thinking now, should I get a bit more for 1.5k? Or push the envelope further but no warranties?

Can I know how much is the difference between a 328 and a 335 and a M3/M4 in the states?

[IndotagSwizz]

what's the point of a tune warranty that covers the same amount of years/miles as BMW has already given you???

[S4NoMore]

Originally Posted by IndotagSwizz

what's the point of a tune warranty that covers the same amount of years/miles as BMW has already given you???

Good question. The Dinan warranty page really makes it seem that if a buyer has 1 year, or 1 month, or 1 day left on the factory warranty, the Dinan coverage expires at that same time. I hope that isn't the case, and the warranty simply needs to be restated as "balance of factory warranty or 2 years from date of Dinan purchase, whichever is longer."

Edit - I misunderstood, I was thinking in terms of "if this tune causes my engine to blow up, am I covered" and the answer is no, once factory warranty expires Dinan is only covering their product i.e. the tuner box itself, connectors, etc.