[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by Sherhart

PS - it looks like an M-Sport steering wheel, no?

Yes - the 320 Sport Package comes with M Sport suspension, M Sport steering wheel, sport seats, and staggered 18-inch wheels.

[Labeef]

Originally Posted by Kafkaesque320

^^ Most concise response.

Thanks! I was reading through your threads before I leased. Got the same color combo as you, but regret buying black. I was like a mosquito drawn to the blue light and didn't think about maintenance.

[Leo bimmer]

If you can live with a 0-60 mph time of ~7.5sec, then the 320i is good enough

[Kafkaesque328]

Originally Posted by Leo bimmer

If you can live with a 0-60 mph time of ~7.5sec, then the 320i is good enough

Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Road and Track all got 6.5 or 6.6 seconds. I clocked 6.7 stock and 6.1 with stage 1, but if you want to pull random numbers out of the air that have no basis in reality, you can do that too. It's the internet after all.

[Leo bimmer]

Originally Posted by Kafkaesque320

Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Road and Track all got 6.5 or 6.6 seconds. I clocked 6.7 stock and 6.1 with stage 1, but if you want to pull random numbers out of the air that have no basis in reality, you can do that too. It's the internet after all.

well, 7.3 is what bmw says (sorry, i wrote 7.5 before), i know that in reality it is faster...

[rjpeaks]

OP = get what you can afford. you can just about justify any viewpoint and make it rational.

if its raw speed, then there are options outside BMW...

[hmc]

Originally Posted by Leo bimmer

well, 7.3 is what bmw says (sorry, i wrote 7.5 before), i know that in reality it is faster...

BMW says 7.1

[Leo bimmer]

Originally Posted by hmc

BMW says 7.1

7.3 is what it says on the Greek BMW site...
Whatever, BMW's claims are as accurate as a toddler's claims!

[hmc]

What you have is 0-100km, not 0-60 miles. There is slight difference between them.
If you check www.bmwusa.com, it's listed as 7.1

[Kafkaesque328]

You would have to be...challenged, to take over 7 seconds in that thing.

[Sherhart]

Originally Posted by hmc

What you have is 0-100km, not 0-60 miles. There is slight difference between them.
If you check www.bmwusa.com, it's listed as 7.1

Almost as fast as my 1993 Integra GSR.......which was not fast.

[tallshortguy]

The 320i's sport package is by far the best value in any package BMW offers and is almost like they decided to throw their fans a bone tbh given the cost of getting those same items on higher trims and models.

A 320i with sport package is really the only good "value" car BMW makes (I guess M235i can be argued as well). They make great cars but are usually even more expensive than the equivalent MB and Audi.

With that said, I'm glad I didn't have to make the decision OP is going through, the 328i's extra power is very noticeable.

[munch520]

Originally Posted by tallshortguy

The 320i's sport package is by far the best value in any package BMW offers and is almost like they decided to throw their fans a bone tbh given the cost of getting those same items on higher trims and models.

A 320i with sport package is really the only good "value" car BMW makes (I guess M235i can be argued as well). They make great cars but are usually even more expensive than the equivalent MB and Audi.

With that said, I'm glad I didn't have to make the decision OP is going through, the 328i's extra power is very noticeable.

M235i is a friggin steal IMO. $20-25 less than an M4...sold. If I didn't have kids and need a 4 door I would've been all over that like a perv at Toys R Us.

[bahasad]

The 320 is a good value, but let's not kid ourselves that at stock levels it is close to a 328i. I've seen 328is getting clocked anywhere from mid 5s to low 6s. I would expect the 320 to be a second slower if not more.

We can talk about tuned all day but let's not forget the 328i can be tuned as well.

[Sherhart]

Originally Posted by bahasad

We can talk about tuned all day but let's not forget the 328i can be tuned as well.

Well said. Stock for stock they are not close. A second or more difference in 0-60 is massive.

Jimbo

[hmc]

There is no question about it. 328 is faster than 320, stock for stock. Period.

The original question was if it justifies $4k-5k price difference, which is subjective...

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by hmc

There is no question about it. 328 is faster than 320, stock for stock. Period.

The original question was if it justifies $4k-5k price difference, which is subjective...

You can say that for pretty much any of the BMWs. The 335I costs about $5K more...the price and horsepower delta is the same between the 328I and 335I and 320I and 328I.

[BobGonwild]

320i ZSP is the better value and choice. Just the sports seats and steering wheel itself is miles ahead of the 328i no line. Just look at how many no line 328i's are on the road compared to sport 320i. Just the driving feel itself with sport package makes this a no brainer.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by BobGonwild

320i ZSP is the better value and choice. Just the sports seats and steering wheel itself is miles ahead of the 328i no line. Just look at how many no line 328i's are on the road compared to sport 320i. Just the driving feel itself with sport package makes this a no brainer.

I don't know if you're right but what you're saying totally validates my choice, so thank you!

[penet05]

Originally Posted by Sherhart

Well said. Stock for stock they are not close. A second or more difference in 0-60 is massive.

Jimbo

It may be massive for you, which I understand. However, probably you will agree with me that difference is not important for the majority of BMW owners. Also not everyone using their cars like they stole it. Just think about V4 Altima-Camry-Fusion-Accord owners switching to 320i. This car would be faster than their old one and most of them won't care another second savings with a 328i.

[Multimodal]

Originally Posted by penet05

Just think about V4 Altima-Camry-Fusion-Accord owners switching to 320i. This car would be faster than their old one and most of them won't care another second savings with a 328i.

My wife tested the Mazda 3s, VW Jetta GLI 2.0t, Audi A4 2.0t, and BMW 128i. We were also considering the Mazda 6, Accord Sport, Nissan Maxima, Mazda CX-5 (oddball option), and some others. In the end it came down to the GLI or the 3-series. She was actually pushing hard for the 328i, but I noticed the GLI and 320i were the same speed. I got her to test a 320i ZSP and she agreed.

So, yes, you're right - when compared to a lot of other cars on the market, the 320i is not slow. A 6.7 second 0-60 is not bad for a DD. That said, if speed matters, and you're trying to drive like a maniac, absolutely get a 328i or 335i.

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by penet05

It may be massive for you, which I understand. However, probably you will agree with me that difference is not important for the majority of BMW owners. Also not everyone using their cars like they stole it. Just think about V4 Altima-Camry-Fusion-Accord owners switching to 320i. This car would be faster than their old one and most of them won't care another second savings with a 328i.

A 1.0/1.5 second difference in 0-60 times can translate to a significant real world power difference. The type of person that I expect to buy BMWs should be able to gauge that difference by feel (especially the type of person who would frequent an enthusiast oriented forum such as these). I am just sick of the 320 fanboys who think that the 328 is not a significant performance difference when it has +60 HP/+60 FT-LBs more bone stock.

Anyways I am not going to argue furthermore. I am very happy for the OP cause it is a good feeling to get a new car. The sport package really makes it and I think the red looks great. If you feel the need for power, there are mods out there that will help you get real world gains, just keep in mind BMW can be finicky when it comes to warranty issues (I bought a stage 1 for my car and I am very excited to get it ).