[BMWDAD]

and the F32 reveal? where and when

[67R60]

Originally Posted by BMWDAD

If you order a car, BMW will extend your lease month by month, up to 6 months (I think)

Yes, this is true. I am on the lease extension program right now. They will go up to 6 months. But, I think you need to have a new BMW on order to qualify but I am not 100% sure on that point.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Jason

The production M5 will likely get its reveal at 2011 Frankfurt.

Along with the F20 1 series. So definitely no chance at all for the F30 3 series to be thrown in as well.

Originally Posted by BMWDAD

and the F32 reveal? where and when

My guess would be Either Geneva 2013 or Frankfurt 2013. I'm probably a little more confident in the latter. Whichever it is, full details will be revealed on the internet a couple months before, of course.

[scubajag]

I believe BMW has confirmed that the F-30 will be shown at the Frankfurt Auto Show in the fall, and will be available early in 2012. The E-92 will end its production run for the 2011 model August 2011, and restart the 2012 E-92 production line in September. The F-32 will be at least 1 year behind the F-30.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by scubajag

I believe BMW has confirmed that the F-30 will be shown at the Frankfurt Auto Show in the fall...

Really? Can you post a link to said confirmation?

[diprip]

Will I be able to buy a 335xi when they launch in spring of 2012? I imagine things like a m-sport package won't come until much later, is this correct?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by diprip

Will I be able to buy a 335xi when they launch in spring of 2012?

Probably not. Assuming the F30 does hit spring 2012 as is being predicted, I would guess fall 2012 for the AWD models.

I imagine things like a m-sport package won't come until much later, is this correct?

Later for sure, but how much later - I don't know. What was the wait for the F10 5 series M Sport? That should give you a rough idea.

[diprip]

hmm...now I need to ponder once again what my priorities are and what I should do.

1) I am in desperate need of a sedan as one of the two I have is about to die (can make it till next spring).
2) I really wanted something awd as the winters have been brutal here lately in East TN.
3) I like the new s4 but the 335xi would be a lot cheaper with ED and their is a dealership in town versus the nearest audi being 90 miles away.

[evangellydonut]

Based on the E90 schedule, announcement in March, cars in showrooms by end of May to early June, and you won't be able to drive one off the lot 'til end of June...

[MBrown1003]

Originally Posted by diprip

hmm...now I need to ponder once again what my priorities are and what I should do.

1) I am in desperate need of a sedan as one of the two I have is about to die (can make it till next spring).
2) I really wanted something awd as the winters have been brutal here lately in East TN.
3) I like the new s4 but the 335xi would be a lot cheaper with ED and their is a dealership in town versus the nearest audi being 90 miles away.

Under the doctrine of "a bird in the hand", I'd go for the 335xi RFN. (That's "right ... now"; the "f" is silent.). Why? You can get EXACTLY what you want...NOW. No waiting, no wondering what/when, no speculation, and probably with a decent to good deal. You wanna be the first kid on the block with the new model? Unlikely that you'll get it quickly, or that you'll pay anything below top dollar.

Seems to me that having a 335xi for two to three years would be a really nice way to spend the time waiting for the F30 to come out, get debugged, and get past the initial demand.

[Diver]

I think it's a bit odd that BMW USA has not updated its "Build Your Own" 3 series page for 2012 models. Being that it is mid April, it would seem too late to order a 2011.

As far as the poster looking for a 4wd sedan, there ought to be lots of 2011's sitting on dealer lots right now. That is no waiting.

[matt_435xi]

so if BMW is ending production for the e90 sedan this Fall in the USA and now we are hearing Frankfurt debut of the F30, is it reasonable to think F30s will hit the showrooms early 2012 (March at the latest?). i don't understand how BMW will stop producing their bread and butter (3er) for more than a couple of months without filling orders for the next fleet?

i want a new F30 by the end of April, is that possible?

[Timothy J]

njkop

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

i don't understand how BMW will stop producing their bread and butter (3er) for more than a couple of months without filling orders for the next fleet?

You and me both.

Something still doesn't add up with these dates. It is possible that the F30 will be available before it makes its actual auto show debut at Geneva 2012 - that sort of thing has happened before. But still, we are hearing a mid/late spring launch in the US. The dealerships are going to be empty by then if they stop producing E90s in October as recent rumors suggest.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

You and me both.

Something still doesn't add up with these dates. It is possible that the F30 will be available before it makes its actual auto show debut at Geneva 2012 - that sort of thing has happened before. But still, we are hearing a mid/late spring launch in the US. The dealerships are going to be empty by then if they stop producing E90s in October as recent rumors suggest.

yeah, but now i am reading Frankfurt Auto Show (Sept 2011) debut, instead of the original Geneva (March 2012) debut? If they debut in Sept 2011 in Frankfurt and stop production in Oct, I expect to see some F30s by year end/early 2012. thoughts?

[mkoesel]

Frankfurt 2011 rumors for the F30 have been around for a while, but with the F20 debuting there, it is hard to imagine they'd bring out the F30 as well. I can't recall ever seeing two brand new BMW series models shown at the same show.

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

yeah, but now i am reading Frankfurt Auto Show (Sept 2011) debut, instead of the original Geneva (March 2012) debut? If they debut in Sept 2011 in Frankfurt and stop production in Oct, I expect to see some F30s by year end/early 2012. thoughts?

[matt_435xi]

why would the F20 debut before the F30?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

why would the F20 debut before the F30?

Because the 1 series product cycle begins/ends slightly ahead of the 3 series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Serie...C_2005-present

The E87 1 series debut was in 2004, while the E90 3 series debuted in 2005.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Because the 1 series product cycle begins/ends slightly ahead of the 3 series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Serie...C_2005-present

The E87 1 series debut was in 2004, while the E90 3 series debuted in 2005.

but didn't BMW just refresh the 1-series?
i guess i am confused, because i swear the 1-series didn't come out in the USA until after the e90 (i know Euro gets the low end stuff before us)

[Jason]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Frankfurt 2011 rumors for the F30 have been around for a while, but with the F20 debuting there, it is hard to imagine they'd bring out the F30 as well. I can't recall ever seeing two brand new BMW series models shown at the same show.

Not only the F20, but the F10 M5 will also be debuting at Frankfurt, so if the F30 was to debut at Frankfurt, that would make 3 big debuts. Very unlikely.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

but didn't BMW just refresh the 1-series?
i guess i am confused, because i swear the 1-series didn't come out in the USA until after the e90 (i know Euro gets the low end stuff before us)

It is true that the 1 series coupe and convertible didn't come out until long after the E90. This was not just for the US, but everywhere else too.

However that is not particularly relevant here. The reason is that the model that is launching in Frankfurt is the F20 which is *just* the hatchback. The new coupe and convertible are the F22 and F23. These are another matter entirely. They won't get their debut sometime late next year, so yes, they will come after the E90 has already debuted.

[SCOTT26]

Frankfurt IAA will launch Production cars -
Plus it will be the official launch of BMWi at an Autoshow.

It will be the show of the new 1er Sporthatch it is a key important model for Europe so will be given priority.

BMW 1er Sporthatch , BMW M5 , BMW M3 Sedan Lightweight , BMW 6er M-Sport Packet , BMW 640d , BMW 6er xDrive , BMW N20 Expansion - Z4/5er/X3
BMW Active Hybrid 5 , BMW 520d Efficient Dynamics Edition. and the BMW i3 Megacity Concept car .

something, something else...

The 3er will be launched in November , First stage Film and photography has just commenced in Vitoria , Spain - It takes around six months to develop the media campaign for a new model.

The 3er will launch like the 5er - In November but kept until simultaneous Press Drive/World Premiere in Geneva , March 2012.

The F30 3er is booked to Premiere @ Geneva in March 2012.
The F31 3er is booked to Premiere @ Leipzig in April 2012