[twincam23]

Every time this happens

[RM7]

Originally Posted by makiko

Wow, impressive. I thought the 370z would win on this one since it has more hp.

Torque is the problem, same with the V6 GM products, while putting out decent HP, you got to get way up in the RPM range to get to any torque, and even then it's significantly less.

The tradeoff is a turbo car can have a fairly significant torque-dropoff at higher RPMs, but this has been minimized, just like turbo lag.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by makiko

Would a stock 435i (non-manual) win against the following, stock for stock of course.

1) Nissan 370z
2) Infiniti G35/G37 Coupe
3) BMW 5 Series (Except for M5)
4) Hyundai Genesis
5) Honda Accord Coupe v6
6) New Mustang 5.0 (GT and regular model)
7) New Camaros
8) New Lexus IS-350
9) Lexus RC-350 Sport
10) Audi S5

I wasn't paying attention really and then last minute a camaro SS vert wanted to race. I didn't realize it till it was too late. They run about 5.0 0-60 and 13.8 1/4 Mile. I could have easily kept pace I guess. Oh well.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

I wasn't paying attention really and then last minute a camaro SS vert wanted to race. I didn't realize it till it was too late. They run about 5.0 0-60 and 13.8 1/4 Mile. I could have easily kept pace I guess. Oh well.

Good launches in the camaro are down around 4.6s, they do have launch control too.

The SS vert is a pig though, 4200lbs if it's an automatic, so you'd have a good chance of beating them. The SS manual coupe is 3860, which isn't bad considering how big the car is. 2nd is definitely good for 75mph or so.

[OUGrad05]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Torque is the problem, same with the V6 GM products, while putting out decent HP, you got to get way up in the RPM range to get to any torque, and even then it's significantly less.

The tradeoff is a turbo car can have a fairly significant torque-dropoff at higher RPMs, but this has been minimized, just like turbo lag.

Thats very true. We took my wife's GMC Terrain out of town this weekend, it's got the V6 which is really a pretty good engine overall and the transmission at WOT is good as well, just not great.

After driving my 335i for a week and getting used to it, the Terrain feels like an absolute slug now (before that wasn't the case). The low end grunt of my 335i reminds me a lot of my Z06 (minus the sound and crappy interior) the way it makes so much torque for daily driving.

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by Blubaron79

I wasn't paying attention really and then last minute a camaro SS vert wanted to race. I didn't realize it till it was too late. They run about 5.0 0-60 and 13.8 1/4 Mile. I could have easily kept pace I guess. Oh well.

4.8 and 13, 12.5 and 4.2. Pick your poison. Not all that slow for a heavy RWD car.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by SoCalDave

4.8 and 13, 12.5 and 4.2. Pick your poison. Not all that slow for a heavy RWD car.

It helps to look at test results

http://m.caranddriver.com/comparison...e-specs-page-5

All thee have a minimum of 400hp with the challenger at almost 500 hp.

0-60 ranges from 4.4 to 4.5. 1/4 mile around 13s flat.

Trap speed around 113mph ( those horses show up)

Other than the trap speed, there is nothing special about these numbers, all achievable with a stock 335i (with ppk)

However all but the challenger should destroy the 335i, on the track since they normally put down E9x M3 numbers

[BimmerBoomer]

My 435i xDrive (8 AT and MPPK) is definitely not a track car. My butt dyno tells me that 0-120 kph it is virtually identical under ideal conditions to both my 2007 335i coupe 6 speed w/ Dinan stage 2 and my 2010 M3 DCT coupe - but it does it with much less drama. Under less than ideal conditions I'd go with the 435i xDrive every time because of the smooth combination of traction, torque and quick shifts. But at 80 mph - where the M3 was just getting going - the parachutes come out. If I still played where I once played this would bother me - and it bothers me a little that it doesn't bother me any more. But the state of law enforcement is such that I'm happy with the quickness of this car and willing to forgo the high speed capability.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by BimmerBoomer

My 435i xDrive (8 AT and MPPK) is definitely not a track car. My butt dyno tells me that 0-120 kph it is virtually identical under ideal conditions to both my 2007 335i coupe 6 speed w/ Dinan stage 2 and my 2010 M3 DCT coupe - but it does it with much less drama. Under less than ideal conditions I'd go with the 435i xDrive every time because of the smooth combination of traction, torque and quick shifts. But at 80 mph - where the M3 was just getting going - the parachutes come out. If I still played where I once played this would bother me - and it bothers me a little that it doesn't bother me any more. But the state of law enforcement is such that I'm happy with the quickness of this car and willing to forgo the high speed capability.

It may be no track car but it's in the top two in its class if you decide to take it there. I can't wait to see the time the ZHP is going to lay down at VIR and Mazda Laguna Seca. I bet it's going to be the standard bearer maybe until the next S4/5 come along

[BimmerBoomer]

Originally Posted by 300hp

It may be no track car but it's in the top two in its class if you decide to take it there. I can't wait to see the time the ZHP is going to lay down at VIR and Mazda Laguna Seca. I bet it's going to be the standard bearer maybe until the next S4/5 come along

Well 300hp, I hope Car & Driver gets one into the Lightning Lap at VIR. I wouldn't expect to see anything better that the M235i (3:07.2) and nowhere close to the E92 M3 (3:05.4). But yes it will be a better track car than my car is - and should hang with a Mustang GT.

And I can't help but wonder how my car would feel with Michelin Pilot Super Sports and the Dinan intake.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by BimmerBoomer

Well 300hp, I hope Car & Driver gets one into the Lightning Lap at VIR. I wouldn't expect to see anything better that the M235i (3:07.2) and nowhere close to the E92 M3 (3:05.4). But yes it will be a better track car than my car is - and should hang with a Mustang GT.

And I can't help but wonder how my car would feel with Michelin Pilot Super Sports and the Dinan intake.

I predict 3.08

[crono06]

I smoke all the beige Corollas

[Livfast335]

Originally Posted by 300hp

It helps to look at test results

http://m.caranddriver.com/comparison...e-specs-page-5

All thee have a minimum of 400hp with the challenger at almost 500 hp.

0-60 ranges from 4.4 to 4.5. 1/4 mile around 13s flat.

Trap speed around 113mph ( those horses show up)

Other than the trap speed, there is nothing special about these numbers, all achievable with a stock 335i (with ppk)

However all but the challenger should destroy the 335i, on the track since they normally put down E9x M3 numbers

That's awesome! Cuz technically with MPPK or Jb Stage 1, should hit 12.7 or 12.8 with Xdrive and good tires, right?

That's not bad at all.

[Buckeyes]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

That's awesome! Cuz technically with MPPK or Jb Stage 1, should hit 12.7 or 12.8 with Xdrive and good tires, right?

That's not bad at all.

Definitely the stage 1 but not sure of the mppk. I think it's less then 2 psi of boost increase while the stage 1 is 3.5psi and can be adjusted higher. I'm running 4.25 psi over stock boost. I know someone on here ran a 12.9 in a 435 gt with just a Bms stage 1 tune.

[Livfast335]

Originally Posted by Trcb777

Definitely the stage 1 but not sure of the mppk. I think it's less then 2 psi of boost increase while the stage 1 is 3.5psi and can be adjusted higher. I'm running 4.25 psi over stock boost. I know someone on here ran a 12.9 in a 435 gt with just a Bms stage 1 tune.

How do we up the boost on BMS Stage 1? I heard someone did the same but not sure how.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

That's awesome! Cuz technically with MPPK or Jb Stage 1, should hit 12.7 or 12.8 with Xdrive and good tires, right?

That's not bad at all.

Someone here already ran 12.8 with ppk. Once they start testing the ZHP we should have definitive results. The 335i rwd with no ppk already runs 13.3 so this ZHP should be good for 13 flat in my view or even better. Xdrive typically knocks out 0.1-0.2s on the N55 powered F3xs which gets us to 12.8-12.9

[Buckeyes]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

How do we up the boost on BMS Stage 1? I heard someone did the same but not sure how.

Bms usb cable and the stage 1 interface, which is actually the jb3 interface. It's the only parameter that can be changed. Zero to 6 psi I think. Default was set to 3.50 psi, However, I don't think I would go above 4.5 psi and I'm currently at 4.25 with a afe intake, MPE and 93 octane. She's running great with crazy low end torque and pulls like crazy. I'm still debating on upgrading to the jb4 because of more safety features, wastegate control, and steering wheel features but concerned about the wire taps. Plus I know if I go jb4 it's just a matter of time I'll get a diwnpipe.

[Livfast335]

Originally Posted by 300hp

Someone here already ran 12.8 with ppk. Once they start testing the ZHP we should have definitive results. The 335i rwd with no ppk already runs 13.3 so this ZHP should be good for 13 flat in my view or even better. Xdrive typically knocks out 0.1-0.2s on the N55 powered F3xs which gets us to 12.8-12.9

I'm going to the track next weekend. I have the Michelin PSS, X-drive and BMS stage 1. I'll post my slips I want to hit 12.7

[Buckeyes]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

I'm going to the track next weekend. I have the Michelin PSS, X-drive and BMS stage 1. I'll post my slips I want to hit 12.7

Run 93 or high octane if available and 1/4 tank of gas or less.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by Livfast335

I'm going to the track next weekend. I have the Michelin PSS, X-drive and BMS stage 1. I'll post my slips I want to hit 12.7

I think 12.7 is the next goal with these modest tunes (ppk or Bms stage 1). Good luck

[CalCarNut]

Originally Posted by 300hp

I think 12.7 is the next goal with these modest tunes (ppk or Bms stage 1). Good luck

Take a stock SS etc and tweak it (like a ppk 335) and see. The LS engines respond to mods like crack to an addict too and have endless parts to play with. I'm impressed with the 335 but $ to dollar spent on upgrades the SS will win.

[CalCarNut]

2015 Camaro SS 1LE. 4.2 and 12.5. Stock. Show me a bone stock 335 that can do that. Been another apples and oranges discussion since you're talking about a premier sport sedan $50k-ish) and a pony car($40k) but as quick as the 335 is, there's always others faster.