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      11-20-2017, 02:58 PM   #639
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Nice try, however Clinton was impeached in his 2nd term so there was never a debate as to whether he should be voted in.
Incorrect, my friend. The stories about Mr. Clinton were around for years. His behavior was finally irrefutable once it hit the fan.
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Incorrect, my friend. The stories about Mr. Clinton were around for years. His behavior was finally irrefutable once it hit the fan.
Somewhat true, I'll give you that. He did have a reputation as a womanizer, but to the best if my knowledge he was not accused by a bunch of women in the early years. Really, the fan that was hit by the shit was him lying... I'll try to look up further when I get to a computer.
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Somewhat true, I'll give you that. He did have a reputation as a womanizer, but to the best if my knowledge he was not accused by a bunch of women in the early years. Really, the fan that was hit by the shit was him lying... I'll try to look up further when I get to a computer.
He actually was accused before he ran for president. It was squashed when he was the governor and continued through his presidency.
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He actually was accused before he ran for president. It was squashed when he was the governor and continued through his presidency.
If President Clinton's accusals mean something to you, why don't the 14 women that have accused Trump mean anything? If you are so upset about President Clinton's shenanigans, shouldn't similar shenanigans get similar anger?
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If President Clinton's accusals mean something to you, why don't the 14 women that have accused Trump mean anything? If you are so upset about President Clinton's shenanigans, shouldn't similar shenanigans get similar anger?
Don't you still have some cleaning-up to do in your industry?
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Don't you still have some cleaning-up to do in your industry?
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Way to deflect MK, let's add hypocrisy to the list.
Shit so that whole glass house, throwing stones thing does not apply to you we take it?
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FTFY.

This is the justification for voting for Mr. Clinton that the left has put up for years.
Mr Clinton isn't the president today, so why would you bring it up? We are talking about today, and what we can do now, and what people are doing right now. We can condemn Bill AND condemn those in office or trying to run for office today for their actions. Again, this is some strange world where we use another person's wrongs to justify or dismiss another person's wrongs. Why even bring up Clinton in this discussion? Both can be true, yet you just used it as a deflection or distraction.
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Shit so that whole glass house, throwing stones thing does not apply to you we take it?
Just because there are scumbags in my industry doesn't make me a rapist.

edit: There are rapists and baby killers in the military, does that make you a baby killer as well?
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Incorrect, my friend. The stories about Mr. Clinton were around for years. His behavior was finally irrefutable once it hit the fan.
I heard a story about a pussy grabber once.
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Just because there are scumbags in my industry doesn't make me a rapist.

edit: There are rapists and baby killers in the military, does that make you a baby killer as well?
You're logic and reasonable thinking has no place here!!! /s
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Nice try, however Clinton was impeached in his 2nd term so there was never a debate as to whether he should be voted in.
Voted in by blind partisanship, later impeached. Are we repeating history? 1 for 2 so far.

GOP logic: "We can be hypocrites too!"
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He actually was accused before he ran for president. It was squashed when he was the governor and continued through his presidency.
I'm not going to spend a a ton of time on this... because I am always so busy, but what I read is that the allegations happened during his presidency and the one in particular that could have affected the vote, since the relevancy here is in comparing electability based on morals, is the case of Paula Jones. While a lawsuit was filed in his first term, the outcome was not decided until his second term.

I will still maintain that the circumstances between Clinton and Moore are not the best comparison once you factor in the amount of woman and the underage part.

The purpose of my post regarding the Alabama governor was not to say Republicans are giving a pass--only one prominent one has, yet she is possibly the most important one save the President. Remember, Democrats by far are not giving Franken a pass as of right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations
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I'm not going to spend a a ton of time on this...I have, because I am always so busy, but what I read is that the allegations happened during his presidency and the one in particular that could have affected the vote, since the relevancy here is in comparing electability based on morals, is the case of Paula Jones. While a lawsuit was filed in his first term, the outcome was not decided until his second term.

I will still maintain that the circumstances between Clinton and Moore are not the best comparison once you factor in the amount of woman and the underage part.

The purpose of my post regarding the Alabama governor was not to say Republicans are giving a pass--only one prominent one has, yet she is possibly the most important one save the President. Remember, Democrats by far are not giving Franken a pass as of right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations
No need to spend time on it. I know people who were involved in it. The 4 that are listed are not the only 4. Wikipedia is a poor source of information on this as it has been sanitized. He assaulted Paula Jones when he was still governor and she was threatened with total destruction. Period. End of story. The difference is the reaction by the left. Everyone leapt to his defense and destroyed these women in a concerted effort. This is the hypocrisy of which I speak. Mr. Moore is a POS and indefensible. Mr. Clinton was/is a POS and indefensible but for the part that people and organizations are defending him TO THIS DAY. There is much discussion now about how is defense by other women has actually made the climate for sexual assault much more difficult on women and empowered assaulters. Talk about unintended consequences.

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The difference is the reaction by the left. Everyone leap to his defense and destroyed these women in a concerted effort. This is the hypocrisy of which I speak.
Not "everyone". This is the problem. You have grouped millions and millions of people into one label and one shared action. This is fundamentally wrong and only pushes people apart. Not all liberals are hypocrites. Not all conservatives are hypocrites. The more you fall into this trap of generalizations, the more you enable those would use this VERY SAME logic to go beyond ideological bipartisan discrimination and apply it to race, sex, sexual orientation, nationality, or even what state or city you live in. This forum (and this country) is absolutely diseased with this type of thinking. You don't seem like a racist, I haven't read a racist statement from you nor many of the other more conservative posters on here, but the thought process isn't that much different when it comes to generalizations.
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Mr Clinton isn't the president today, so why would you bring it up? We are talking about today, and what we can do now, and what people are doing right now. We can condemn Bill AND condemn those in office or trying to run for office today for their actions. Again, this is some strange world where we use another person's wrongs to justify or dismiss another person's wrongs. Why even bring up Clinton in this discussion? Both can be true, yet you just used it as a deflection or distraction.
No other rapist/molester was defended by women's groups, et. al. like Mr. Clinton. Every excuse in the world was proffered. There is a great piece written on the long-term consequence of the lefts' defense of Mr. Clinton. It is posited that the defense of Mr. Clinton empowered those who are being called-out to this day.

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Mr Clinton isn't the president today, so why would you bring it up? We are talking about today, and what we can do now, and what people are doing right now. We can condemn Bill AND condemn those in office or trying to run for office today for their actions. Again, this is some strange world where we use another person's wrongs to justify or dismiss another person's wrongs. Why even bring up Clinton in this discussion? Both can be true, yet you just used it as a deflection or distraction.
No other rapist/molester was defended by women's groups, et. al. like Mr. Clinton. Every excuse in the world was proffered. There is a great piece written on the long-term consequence of the lefts' defense of Mr. Clinton. It is posited that the defense of Mr. Clinton empowered those who are being called-out to this day.

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That might be so, but there are plenty of liberals who don't match your scenario. It doesn't make sense to pigeon hole millions of people and an entire ideology the the actions of a few, no matter how erroneous. Certainly, it doesn't give anyone an excuse to sexually assault anyone, liberal nor conservative.
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Not "everyone". This is the problem. You have grouped millions and millions of people into one label and one shared action. This is fundamentally wrong and only pushes people apart. Not all liberals are hypocrites. Not all conservatives are hypocrites. The more you fall into this trap of generalizations, the more you enable those would use this VERY SAME logic to go beyond ideological bipartisan discrimination and apply it to race, sex, sexual orientation, nationality, or even what state or city you live in. This forum (and this country) is absolutely diseased with this type of thinking. You don't seem like a racist, I haven't read a racist statement from you nor many of the other more conservative posters on here, but the thought process isn't that much different when it comes to generalizations.
I lived in the political world for almost 6 years and prior to that knew quite a few people involved in the general Arkansas stuff. I still consult candidates in my state and have helped 2 US Senators win their races as well as a smattering of state level legislators. I already know who's being groomed for a 2024 presidential run.

Until recently you couldn't find 10 liberals who would have said anything negative about the whole sordid affair (pun intended) including women's groups. I had a conversation with a dear friend TODAY, a self-identified, 3rd wave feminist, who still cannot bring herself to condemn Mr. Clinton. Think about this for a second. This is an otherwise intelligent and logically thinking person with a huge blind-spot in this case. It is not unusual. You are correct with regard to diseased thinking being a challenge in this nation. I've been telling people this for decades...and much of the disease has been uncovered since Mr. Trump won the GOP nomination and has continued through this very day.

The curtains are parting across all venues of power and the exposure is extremely glaring. This is a good thing.

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You know, with all this talk about suits and allegations and now we know that Congress has a $15mil fund to settle this stuff, why is nobody outraged over this? I know it's pocket change but why do I have to pay a nickel so these guys can grab some pussy? If I go to a strip club, I pay a lot more than that. This is not right.
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Wait what? Dude I'm in no way shape or form calling you a rapist. What I was alluding to was the fact that the left seems to make it seem that when some conservative jackass does something stupid we all support him no matter what. Like we're some sort of hive mind.
And for the record I never shot anyone in my life. Thank god.
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I lived in the political world for almost 6 years and prior to that knew quite a few people involved in the general Arkansas stuff. I still consult candidates in my state and have helped 2 US Senators win their races as well as a smattering of state level legislators. I already know who's being groomed for a 2024 presidential run.

Until recently you couldn't find 10 liberals who would have said anything negative about the whole sordid affair (pun intended) including women's groups. I had a conversation with a dear friend TODAY, a self-identified, 3rd wave feminist, who still cannot bring herself to condemn Mr. Clinton. Think about this for a second. This is an otherwise intelligent and logically thinking person with a huge blind-spot in this case. It is not unusual. You are correct with regard to diseased thinking being a challenge in this nation. I've been telling people this for decades...and much of the disease has been uncovered since Mr. Trump won the GOP nomination and has continued through this very day.

The curtains are parting across all venues of power and the exposure is extremely glaring. This is a good thing.

Off to my friend's restaurant opening.
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Hollywood is a lot like the Politics. When you are in it, it's easy to think that this circle of people represent some kind of truth about the reality of the world around us. Politicians play the politician's game in the world of politics. Hollywood play a different game in the another world of entertainment. Both groups have a skewed sense of reality in their respective bubbles, both groups are actually a little out of touch, despite playing a large role in the lives of the people they make their living off of. Both worlds are little bit foreign to outsiders, and both groups have an image they portray in public, and the reality they hide behind closed doors. There is a reason our current POTUS was in the Hollywood circle for DECADES. Both forums are actually quite similar.

My point is this: it is not only despite of, but perhaps partially due to your involvement in politics that you would be susceptible to the same effects of living in the political bubble. Maybe you know too much, maybe it's made you jaded... I don't know, I'm not going to assume to judge anyone. I do know that your experience of not finding any liberals critical of the whole Bill Clinton affair is not what I have experienced. Therefor, your experience is not universal.
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If President Clinton's accusals mean something to you, why don't the 14 women that have accused Trump mean anything? If you are so upset about President Clinton's shenanigans, shouldn't similar shenanigans get similar anger?
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