[maragulon]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

The 4GC will have four doors.

So what is it?

[OverDriven]

Originally Posted by Carlos_Danger

Having fun with the responses, why are we so reluctant to change, its just a better looking wider lower sportier F30, how can this not look good in person, the joker explains:

The joker is forgetting the fact that the cars you listed are also widely hated by fans of their respective companies.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by maragulon

So what is it?

Looks like a window to me! Seriously... this 4er GC will be a fastback hatch... just like the A5/A7 design... so you need another window to compliment that fastback silhouette. I believe the rear will be a hatch design. Don't forget this GC is based on the LWB Chinese 3er... so a rear hatch makes sense.

Dack

[R N M]

This is def on my list of cars to replace my 535i when my lease is up.

Can someone comment on the size of the 4GC - it seems just as long as a 5Series??

How about pricing?

[Reedomn]

Bummer....BMW is (was) the greatest car company in existence. They are getting sucked in (ie: more profits) to produce every possible model that every possible human may desire. Guess that's why I was fixated on a 1M which will never leave the stable.

And yes I have $100 there will be a 4,000lb M4 gran coupe. Maybe even another ridiculous Limerock edition!!!???

[kmarei]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

A 4er Gran Coupe makes perfect sense especially in today's market .
A customer would like a Coupe but finds it impractical ahead of family and business requirements.

A four dr Coupe is the perfect compromise , sporting elegance , dynamic performance and of course more flexibility.

There is now a significant customer base who are looking for a more sporting concept but with better practicality.
These models are especially growing in sales as a more exclusive choice against a Coupe or even an established sedan.

You do realize that most people desire coupes because they look good
So this bastard of a design does not appeal to the "coupe" clientele
There is nothing elegant or sporting about this
Practical sure, but if I want practical I'd buy the 3 series station wagon

This shape is basically a compromise on all fronts
It's not as good looking as a coupe
Not as comfortable in the rear as a sedan
Not as practical as the station wagon
In English this is what we call a half ass attempt at creating a new "niche"
A word dear to many a BMW engineer nowadays

I'm still holding out for a 3 series with sliding rear doors
You may call me crazy, but its just a matter of time...

[strati1]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

should they start producing E30's again? what are you saying? the company is one of the best luxury brands in the world because it remains competitive. if they were still making the cars they did in the 90's theyd be long gone.

Being competitive is great, just don't let it dilute the integrity of the brand as a drivers car. By back to your roots I meant light and agile, that might be dead in the luxury sedan segment but is a personal preference. This overlaps the f30 market, its another similarly sized sedan with presumably the same n55 and specs; so really why does it exist?

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Double Bubble

How's a 5 series different from a 6 GC?
...That's the difference.

Dead wrong.

The 6 Grand Coupe has a 6 series front and rear end, which is much different than the 5 series. It also has a completely different interior, including much different seats, "floating" iDrive screen, standard black panel display, different dash with leather covering, etc.

The 4 GC, if we believe this, has the same interior as the 4 series, the same front and rear fascia as the 4 series. Only problem with this is that the 4 series has pretty much the same interior as the 3 series, and very, very similar front and rear fascias.

So if it offers no measurable difference from the F30 sedan, with the exception of a swoopier roofline, there's not a big difference.

[Jay-K]

i just dont get it..
why in the first place they create 4 series...

[bimmer]

I don't like the front fascia. No M variant. Fail. Looks like the only M3/4 should be called BMW and the rest of the line up - "luxury appliances". I hope M3\4 will drive like proper BMW.

[Eagle1oh7]

Originally Posted by Snig

+1

Pretty much an LCI 3 series.

I'm ready to put a 435i badge on my wife's 335i F30. Who would know?

Who. Would. Know??

ROFLMAO! I know right?

[Powaup]

What are the main differences from a 5 series?

[mxa121]

Go BMW!
Seriously, most of you need to get a grip. they did not create a segment. this does not dilute the brand. it is not a 3 series. how thick do you have to be to not understand that a four door coupe has a market share in today's automotive market?

it seats 4, lower cg, sleeker roofline, and wider stance. this is a four door coupe.

it seats five, higher cg, taller roofline, narrower stance. this is a four door sedan.

[DrakeKemper]

Why wasn't this just the 3 series?

[Wombat]

so... BMW is telling us, to make it more clear, even numbers 2,4,6 are Coupe and Odd numbers 1,3,5,7 are Sedans.

So following their naming convention shouldn't this be a 3 series iL? or is BMW trolling us with the 4 and 6 Grand Coupe

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Seriously... this 4er GC will be a fastback hatch... just like the A5/A7 design... I believe the rear will be a hatch design. Don't forget this GC is based on the LWB Chinese 3er... so a rear hatch makes sense.

Lets hope not! I'd rather have the stiffer conventional/non-hatch body.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by phrozen06

do you believe everything you read?

The info comes from a reliable source of ours, and within last few days. You can believe what you want or don't want.

[Oliver1]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Looks like a window to me! Seriously... this 4er GC will be a fastback hatch... just like the A5/A7 design... so you need another window to compliment that fastback silhouette. I believe the rear will be a hatch design. Don't forget this GC is based on the LWB Chinese 3er... so a rear hatch makes sense.

Dack

The GT is the hatchback version of the sedan, the GC is the 4 door version of the coupe. Both having a longer wheelbase than the regular coupe/sedan. If you need more rear legroom for rear facing child seats, then you get a GT or GC.

[WilliCO]

Nice, but it's going to cost $65 grand, which puts it in 535 territory.

Nothing I've read suggests that the F3X chassis handles dramatically better than the F10 chassis, and the F10 is really a much nicer car inside than the F30. This GC variant won't really be much smaller than a 5 series. More similar than different, sizewise.

I used to think the 4er GC was Going to be a highly appealing choice – now I'm not so sure I understand how it fits in with the rest of the BMW lineup.

[VANOS]

So what's the point of the three?? :

[Matski]

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[advantage20]

Originally Posted by R N M

Can someone comment on the size of the 4GC - it seems just as long as a 5Series??

4 Series is 4.64m and 5 Series 4.91m, there is no way 4 Series GC has a 27cm longer wheelbase than 4 Series

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Looks like a window to me! Seriously... this 4er GC will be a fastback hatch... just like the A5/A7 design... so you need another window to compliment that fastback silhouette. I believe the rear will be a hatch design. Don't forget this GC is based on the LWB Chinese 3er... so a rear hatch makes sense.Dack

Seems pretty obvious to me the GC will carry over the coupé's rear end, i.e. no hatchback. Which is consistent with the model's philosophy: sporty/classy feel, not seeking practicality like the 3 GT, or the Audi A5/A7 SB which combine sportiness with the practicality of a hatchback.

As for the third side window, Scott26 a while back heavily insisted that the camo was deliberately delusional and that the car will not have a third side window i.e. the door will open at the hoffmeister kink like on any other BMW 4 door sedan/coupé. But yes these spyshots seem quite explicit about the door opening and a third side window... May Scott let us know the truth!

Originally Posted by WJGreer

Nice, but it's going to cost $65 grand, which puts it in 535 territory.

As in the 6 lineup, the 4 GC should be cheaper than the 4 Cabrio, which in turn is cheaper than the 5er.