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It would be a good idea. Space saving is big so someone might already be looking into it.
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07-20-2012, 01:38 AM | #69 |
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07-20-2012, 06:56 AM | #70 | |
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You'll find all the hand-me-down high school boys and balding midlife crisis men there. The 3 is no longer the car for them. BMW has moved on; so now must you. BJ |
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07-20-2012, 07:04 AM | #71 | |
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The 3 is now the perfect size, what the old 5 used to be, and it's filled with all the creature comforts of the 7. Very luxurious, nice soft suspension, the very opposite of a sport sedan. BJ |
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07-20-2012, 07:36 AM | #72 | |
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It's friday, friday..... Cheers Robin |
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07-20-2012, 09:38 AM | #73 |
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Isn't weight the most important factor as long as wheelbase is not too long? An F30 is very slightly heavier than the E90 and 4" longer. It's not like it's a huge car by any means. For those saying it's like a 5 series, it's not. It's 400 pounds lighter, 9" shorter and 2.0" narrower at the centerline of the rear tires.
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07-20-2012, 09:49 AM | #74 | |
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07-20-2012, 10:04 AM | #75 |
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Buy a $10,000 E36 M3 and put $15,000 into it. You will have the car you want for $25,000 but with this amazing equipment:
I went from a 335 to this car and I can't tell you how god it is. Mine is track-specific but I could have easily made it a street performance daily driver. Sounds like a winner to me |
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07-20-2012, 10:13 AM | #76 | |
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07-20-2012, 10:54 AM | #78 | |
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There are like, what, 200 cars between $20,000 and $50,000 that people can buy. That's the point of auto ownership- there are so many cars to choose from, you can find whatever you want at any time. Get a piece of paper. Write down the weight, length, height, width, and color of the car you want. Keep going. Write down the horsepower, torque, gas mileage, wheel size, you name it. You'll be able to get exactly what you want, hundreds of new and used cars to choose from. The F30 is not everything to everybody nor is it what it was in 1985. There are dozens of other car brands and models out there that will be exactly what you want. Go find it. Leave the F30 alone. BJ |
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07-20-2012, 11:03 AM | #79 | |
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BTW, thanks for proving stereotypes come true. A BMW convertible driver who's not a driving enthusiast? Whoa, that's a shocker. |
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07-20-2012, 11:12 AM | #80 | |
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Off the top of my head, the only thing that might even come close is the first IS250. Not exactly a lot of choices, and I'm still not even convinced that actually fits my rather simple parameter. |
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07-20-2012, 11:19 AM | #81 | |
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"Driving Enthusiast" = a clever merchandising tagline to sell performance auto parts to gullible children. "Stereotype" = the true audience for BMW products, a 47 year old balding executive with two kids, a house in a nice neighborhood, and a status-symbol car to keep up with the Joneses. Please awaken from the coma that BMW has put you in since 1985. There is no Santa Claus, there is no Tooth Fairy, Cheerios does not reduce cholesterol, Twizzlers are not a fat-free snack, the 3 Series is not a lightweight sports car. BJ |
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07-20-2012, 11:24 AM | #82 | |
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Your wife is a 40 year old Caucasian with blonde hair and green eyes but you keep wishing she was a 20 year old Asian with black hair and brown eyes. The fault isn't with your wife. The fault is with you. You can't make your wife become something she's not. Go find another wife. Plenty to choose from. Lots of other cars out there both old and new that can come a lot closer to your parameters than the 2013 BMW 3 Series. BJ |
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07-20-2012, 11:26 AM | #84 | |
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07-20-2012, 11:27 AM | #85 |
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That's gone now (need to change the sig, sorry).
I ditched the E93 for an E90 M-Sport three years ago and hate almost every minute of it. The suspension, the handling, the bland interior, yuck. Can't wait for my F30 to get on a damn boat already, get here to the States. BJ |
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07-20-2012, 11:50 AM | #86 | |
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The F30 is actually quite impressive in that it got bigger, more comfortable, has more features and still weighs roughly the same as the E90. Nothing not to like there. However the EPS and some odd option grouping also took away a little of the sportiness. But that's a small quibble. I'd suspect that many of us in this thread interesting in something like a 1er sedan weren't folks that cared for the E90 either. I personally didn't even like the E46, I thought it was an overstyled pastiche of all things BMW and too cluttered. But dynamically, it was pretty good. |
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07-20-2012, 11:57 AM | #87 | |
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My contention is that this is the F30 subforum and not the place to discuss how it disappoints those who aren't its intended audience and who have no intention of purchasing one. "Wake up and build the car we want!" Yup, that's exactly what they did. The customer that the F30 is designed to please is quite satisfied. BJ |
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07-20-2012, 12:11 PM | #88 | |
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Perhaps the General BMW forum would be a better fit (in fact I started a fairly long thread about just this over there). But it does remain that since the E21, the 3er has been the smallest, sportiest BMW sedan and coupe, and I think this discussion just confirms that a lot of us are frustrated by the every growing product that hasn't really been back filled by BMW. I do think the market is ripe for a good, low content, yet premium rwd sedan in the coming years. BMW seems to have the chassis available for such a thing, but the next IS and Audi A3 sedan (albeit with Haldex or fwd) are likely to grab a lot of our attention before the 1er sedan materializes. |
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