[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by A Muse

Well, normally, it should be accurate, because the informations come from two sensors, torque sensor and rpm sensor, so the power result is easy to find.
On my previous M235i, it gaves exactly the real power, here on the 330D PPK, it lacks a little on the display, and i feel it lacks a little real power... That's why i ask for if other owners have the same result...

Sorry, I disagree, there is no 'torque sensor'. The displays come from calculating a series of parameters (engine revs, throttle position, injector duty, etc) that approximate what power and torque the engine 'might' be producing. It is not a figure to be relied upon. When the car is PPK'd the mathematics don't line up any more, so needs the PPK 'code adjustment' to get it back on track. You certainly can't use the dials as evidence that your PPK is not performing as it should.

[Fishman]

PPK and ACS springs fitted today. I was warned to bed in the brakes, and they certainly need it, currently very spongy. Two immediate observations:

- does anyone else notice the engine sounding a little more rough at low revs?

- the auto stop/start hasn't cut in for 50 miles, very abnormal. A definite change, I hope the car doesn't have to go back to have that sorted

Other than that, smiling!

[SkyJawa]

No change to engine sound at all, sounds better on power IMHO.

ASS has worked as normal ever since fitting.......

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by A Muse

Sorry, but someone to have a quick look on his Sport display?
Thanks

Checked mine out today. Mine have been changed to read up to 320bhp. It hits just below that so it would sort of indicate 300-310bhp.

[jusdorange]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Sounds good, and retains peace of mind

Though when you say it's "more than just a remap", what do you mean exactly?

In essence the extra power and torque is just from revised mapping in the ECU isn't it?

#imightbeabitbored

[427ELL]

to anyone who needed the bigger kit with new brakes, i assume you spent between £3k and £4k; in hindsight, would you say you think it was worth it?

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by 427ELL

to anyone who needed the bigger kit with new brakes, i assume you spent between £3k and £4k; in hindsight, would you say you think it was worth it?

Where do those assumed figures come from ? That's much higher than MPPK with a mandatory front brake upgrade for cars that have stock brakes (single piston floating calipers).

MPPK plus M-Performance brakes all round would be in the price range you are talking about. That said, M-Performance brakes are an upgrade option; they are not mandatory ("needed").

[Gaz330d]

Will BMW sell you the MPPK kit without the upgraded Brake Kit if you have the standard brakes.
Would be interesting to hear from anybody who had the standard brakes and had the MPPK kit fitted with or without the upgraded brake kit. Plus how much the costs involved.

[SkyJawa]

MPPK without brakes is around 1000-1200, with the brakes IIRC it adds about £500.

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by Gaz330d

Will BMW sell you the MPPK kit without the upgraded Brake Kit if you have the standard brakes.
Would be interesting to hear from anybody who had the standard brakes and had the MPPK kit fitted with or without the upgraded brake kit. Plus how much the costs involved.

No. If you don't have them you must have them as part of MPPK.

[Gaz330d]

Thanks for the clarification :-) Would really like the MPPK as I am missing the power from the M135i

[427ELL]

£ figs (inc labour) came from an earlier posting by someone. i thought they sounded high. Should i assume then that the only extra cost over and above normal changing discs and pads would be for the new calipers? Coinciding the job when new brakes necessary shouldn't be too expensive

[Watsey]

<£1,600 all-in for MPPK + front brake upgrade for mine.

The main benefit of MPPK is warranty protection and peace of mind, however, power and torque increases are modest. The brakes are an improvement and have good modulation and feel compared to stock items.

There's evidence on this forum that reputable tuners are able to achieve greater increases than MPPK, and if I was spending again I'd be seriously considering them. There are also piggyback units, but shop carefully and ask the right questions. ACS (warranty protected) and Steinbauer are up there, SuperChips (website still shows only the piggyback option, and no supplementary warranty), plus (IMO) a couple of others.

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by 427ELL

£ figs (inc labour) came from an earlier posting by someone. i thought they sounded high. Should i assume then that the only extra cost over and above normal changing discs and pads would be for the new calipers? Coinciding the job when new brakes necessary shouldn't be too expensive

Compared to stock the brake upgrade includes slightly larger discs (340 Vs 330) which are also thicker (30 Vs 24), 4 piston fixed calipers, necessary caliper hangers, and new pads. The old discs, pads, and callipers have to be removed so I don't see how there would be a labour saving.

[SkyJawa]

If I was choosing again, I'd still go for the MPPK despite the advances in tuning. Purely because its more than enough for the roads round here, and its fully warrantied and considering I was fitting to a less than 6 month old car that for me is paramount.

When its out of warranty and if I still have it I could make the choice to spunk another 500 on a more powerful chip if I really wanted to with the benefit over a standard car of having the uprated intercooler.

[427ELL]

thanks to all for useful advice

[A Muse]

Hello,

i come for give you the result of my Dyno on my F31 330D M Performance Edition:

It's a real Dynamometer power bench result, not a smartphone extrapolation

So we can see that it produces 283 hp and 580 Nm for 286 & 600 claimed.

It's ok but no more and no less than BMW puts on booklets...

I expected more torque, but the curve shows that i felt, a very, very linear engine (too linear for me) which smoothes the sensations...

Done in 5th gear, winter temperature, about 5° Celsius, 29000 km.

[NeilT]

I'm expecting delivery of my 330d next week, which is having the MPPK fitted before delivery. Maybe thats a good thing I dont drive it before its fitter if it changes the power delivery for a more linear one.

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by A Muse

Hello,

i come for give you the result of my Dyno on my F31 330D M Performance Edition:

It's a real Dynamometer power bench result, not a smartphone extrapolation

So we can see that it produces 283 hp and 580 Nm for 286 & 600 claimed.

It's ok but no more and no less than that BMW puts on booklets...

I expected more torque, but the curve shows that i felt, a very, very linear engine (too linear for me) which smoothes the sensations...

Done in 5th gear, winter temperature, about 5° Celsius, 29000 km.

Seems quite low compared to what the PPK cars at the rolling road day were putting out.

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by Watsey

Compared to stock the brake upgrade includes slightly larger discs (340 Vs 330) which are also thicker (30 Vs 24), 4 piston fixed calipers, necessary caliper hangers, and new pads. The old discs, pads, and callipers have to be removed so I don't see how there would be a labour saving.

Watsey - do you have the ability to read the coding of your car? If so I'd be really interested to see if the coding for the brakes is different......?

[A Muse]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Seems quite low compared to what the PPK cars at the rolling road day were putting out.

This is PPK inside...and the result is obtained which a very, very accurate bench.
Power is lower in 4th gear, perhaps a little, little higher with 6/7/8, because of the variable power according to gears with this kit, but we cancel out this factor with the bench operator in applying sufficient strenght on rolls adjustement.

So this is the real power

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by A Muse

This is PPK inside...and the result is obtained which a very, very accurate bench.
Power is lower in 4th gear, perhaps a little, little higher with 6/7/8, because of the variable power according to gears with this kit, but we cancel out this factor with the bench operator in applying sufficient strenght on rolls adjustement.

So this is the real power

When the guys on here went to the rolling road day every PPK was putting out near as dammit 300bhp. This was in line with what was expected from other cars to achieve be them standard or chipped, thats why it seems a bit low.