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However I bet BMW is hard at work on electric steering technology that can mimic what they offered through hydraulics. One that's user adjustable would be great. Satisfy the moms and enthusiasts at the same time. Wishful thinking. |
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The 3.5% ytd is the key figure. Combination of people wanting the new F30 and people capitalizing on incentives for the outgoing E90 |
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12-03-2012, 04:49 PM | #27 |
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I do see a lot of F30s now..mostly base and sport line...I've only seen two M sport 335is....very beautiful
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Bottom line - since BMW has maintained a similar 3 series lineup rollout schedule for the F30/F32 as it did for the E90/E92, I stand behind my belief that the F30 is simply not selling well. |
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The F30 was available for purchase starting February 2012 (as a 2012 model). Consequently, 2005 would correlate much better with 2012. In both cases, the sedan was introduced in the late winter / early spring, and the coupe was replaced the following year. And 2005 3-series sales were quite flat when compared to 2004. Worldwide, it was a decrease. |
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12-03-2012, 05:51 PM | #30 | |
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And it is adjustable. It has decent road feel, it's very direct and accurate and it has good on centre feel. If you haven't already done so, maybe you should treat yourself to a long test drive before you assess the steering. IMO, the new VSS is a significant improvement over the very heavy weighted E90 steering. And compared to any of the several E90s that I drove, the F30-335i is a vastly improved car !
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This chart from the GT thread is quite timely:
From this post by Matski: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=294 This shows an estimate for the 3 series saloon worldwide to finish 2012 with about a 10% increase over 2011 numbers, while the 3 series coupe is estimated to finish the year off by almost a quarter. |
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Somewhat surprising that 2005 3 series sales were flat compared to 2004. |
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12-03-2012, 07:44 PM | #34 | |
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with the combined 2012+2013 years. had the 2012 F30 come out in march or april, its concievable that bmw would never have had a 2012 F30 , and possibly had a short model year 2012 E90 like the 2005 E46. that aside, i think its a totally different comparison . i wouldn't say the F30 is a poor BMW at all, its more that the competition has made BMW less of a definitive favorite and the economy. In 2005 when the e90 came out you were looking at the B7 audi, the much much worse than the current car W203 C class, and the 1st generation lexus IS (at least for 4-5 months anyway) and the 1st generation G35 . The e90 was much better than those cars, and it was a booming economy. I'd figure at the time if you were in the market and could afford it the E90 was probably the clear best choice. the F30 did still increase sales. Not to mention BMW has competition from itself in the 1 series / X1 (they aren't exactly the same, but at least in america i'm sure if the 1 / x1 didnt exist and the F30 was the cheapest BMW there'd be more F30 sales) |
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I thought M Sport was just cosmetic options. Has that changed? I've driven 3 F30s. Two were sport line, and even in sport mode, the steering sucked. I sneezed once and was half way in the other lane cause the steering was so light.
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Oh, and just because its selling doesnt mean it's is better.
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IMO, your last statement is far short of reality. At 130 kph (about 70 mph), if I remove my hands from the wheel, the car tracks like it is on rails. If you drove "half way into the other lane", I do not believe the car was at fault. Did you drive a F30 with VSS in Sport mode ? I highly doubt it from your comments.
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-- Thicker-rimmed steering wheel (sort of cosmetic, sort of not) -- Weighted, short-throw shifter (6MT) -- Euro-spec brake pads, which some claim have better initial bite but more brake dust As to the steering, the heft of the steering in sport mode does feel significantly lighter than an e90, but on par with my '01 e46. Feedback is definitely muted relative to both generations, but it's still there, still linear, and still precise. I think it's one of those things that one would adjust to after a few days. |
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i think November sales are up mostly due to Sandy. Water made it to within 20 feet to my house. Cars were floating all over the place. Just in my neighborhood, i would say at least few hundred totaled. It hurt to drive around and see abandoned flooded out bimmers
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With respect to the Canadian version, M Sport adaptive suspension and M Sport brakes are also available options on the 335i M Sport.
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This is correct. My wife drives an E93; the steering effort, especially at low speed, is very heavy compared to my F30. I much prefer the VSS of my F30. If my memory serves me right, the F30 steering effort feels similar to what I experienced with my retired E46/ZSP.
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