[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Yes I think drivetrain is always checked or you can turn it off for suspension and steering. Either way sport plus has better throttle response.

Is this a new feature with the 340i? Was not the case, either as indicated in the chart posted earlier, or other users experience.

I know if I drive my 535i in Sport mode with the drivetrain unchecked, when I toggle to Sport+, there is change to the gearbox and throttle response. But that is not particularly a Sport+ feature. Drivetrain checked and the throttle response doesn't change moving to Sport+, as it is already more sensitive in Sport mode.

[hollandog]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Is this a new feature with the 340i? Was not the case, either as indicated in the chart posted earlier, or other users experience.

I know if I drive my 535i in Sport mode with the drivetrain unchecked, when I toggle to Sport+, there is change to the gearbox and throttle response. But that is not particularly a Sport+ feature. Drivetrain checked and the throttle response doesn't change moving to Sport+, as it is already more sensitive in Sport mode.

I swear they are the same.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

Is this a new feature with the 340i? Was not the case, either as indicated in the chart posted earlier, or other users experience.

I know if I drive my 535i in Sport mode with the drivetrain unchecked, when I toggle to Sport+, there is change to the gearbox and throttle response. But that is not particularly a Sport+ feature. Drivetrain checked and the throttle response doesn't change moving to Sport+, as it is already more sensitive in Sport mode.

Yes it is more sensitive in sport mode than comfort and more sensitive still in sport +. It may be different on the 5 series.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Yes it is more sensitive in sport mode than comfort and more sensitive still in sport +. It may be different on the 5 series.

5-series has followed (like the original F3x models), the BMW formula that Sport+ doesn't change the throttle mapping, over Sport.

BMW state, when describing the introduction of modes:

The “Sport” and “Sport+” modes also differ in terms of the coordination of one specific dynamic driving system: the Dynamic Stability Control.

So it must be a new feature, to have an additional throttle map, (over and above the Sport throttle mapping) for Sport+.

Seems from the comments, that 3-series owners are not all in agreement on this additional throttle mapping.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

5-series has followed (like the original F3x models), the BMW formula that Sport+ doesn't change the throttle mapping, over Sport.

BMW state, when describing the introduction of modes:

So it must be a new feature, to have an additional throttle map, (over and above the Sport throttle mapping) for Sport+.

Seems from the comments, that 3-series owners are not all in agreement on this additional throttle mapping.

Yes we even had this discussion at a car meet and me and one other guy stated that sport plus was noticeably more aggressive throttle and shift mapping versus sport but one other person saying it was just dialing back stability control.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by Thisisdudewhoru

So sport plus will somewhat still try and save you if the rear starts coming around?

You need to hold the DCT button in for 10+seconds to kill DSC. You will get a major size pictograph on you panel to warn its off. In all the modes its on to some extent. Only thing sport + will do is reduce the traction control to the most you can get without taking out DCT.

Sport + will also cut off the kick down switch & will hold max RPM in the gears

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Bbb34

I think that's because most of us saying that are in cars with manual, if you look at the chart in this post http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=19 you'll see there's no difference in shift points with AT, just that launch control is enabled (unless you're in manual mode of course).

I think similar to what I was saying earlier, you're just finding more "pull" with Sport+ as it puts power down "more directly", with less interference from electronics when there's grip to be found.

I dunno I feel more lag in sport. It's not just the transmission. Interesting though.

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Yes we even had this discussion at a car meet and me and one other guy stated that sport plus was noticeably more aggressive throttle and shift mapping versus sport but one other person saying it was just dialing back stability control.

I test drive the 4 series for BMW before it came out. They flew an engineer in from Germany and had BMW driving instructors. They all said it only affects the stability control by relaxing it more.

This additional shifting and throttle changes are all in your head. End thread.

[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

No sport plus has still better throttle response than sport. Also higher shift points although this can actually slow you down depending on how much throttle you're applying. I sometimes launch with sport plus and then switch it off after launch as the shifting may be better in sport at part throttle. I see others saying it just dials back stability control, I don't know maybe there's some variation depending on which model you have but even folks with my car are saying that. My experience is there's a significant difference between the modes.

Placebo

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

No sport plus has still better throttle response than sport. Also higher shift points although this can actually slow you down depending on how much throttle you're applying. I sometimes launch with sport plus and then switch it off after launch as the shifting may be better in sport at part throttle. I see others saying it just dials back stability control, I don't know maybe there's some variation depending on which model you have but even folks with my car are saying that. My experience is there's a significant difference between the modes.

Not in the manual it doesn't! My guess is that you auto guys are feeling a better initial pick up because the auto box reacts quicker in sport+... throttle is absolutely identical in a manual and is pretty near perfect. I test drove a sport auto and even in sport mode there was an apparent throttle delay which is not present in the manual... I assume sport+ attempts to eliminate that delay in an auto!!

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by HighlandPete

5-series has followed (like the original F3x models), the BMW formula that Sport+ doesn't change the throttle mapping, over Sport.

BMW state, when describing the introduction of modes:



So it must be a new feature, to have an additional throttle map, (over and above the Sport throttle mapping) for Sport+.

Seems from the comments, that 3-series owners are not all in agreement on this additional throttle mapping.

See my post immediately above, I think this may answer this eternal question! But I'm sure someone will still tell me I'm wrong!!

[Wires]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

Placebo

This. I've tried all three settings and notice nothing different about shift points nor throttle mapping in sport vs sport+. Comfort, on the other hand, has drastic changes to the throttle mapping.

According to BMW literature (assuming it's 100% correct), Sport+ is nothing more than sport mode with traction control enabled. It dials back stability control in favor of a little more wheel slippage.

[nozydog]

Originally Posted by Wires

This. I've tried all three settings and notice nothing different about shift points nor throttle mapping in sport vs sport+. Comfort, on the other hand, has drastic changes to the throttle mapping.

According to BMW literature (assuming it's 100% correct), Sport+ is nothing more than sport mode with traction control enabled. It dials back stability control in favor of a little more wheel slippage.

+1 an awful lot of people seem to be imagining a difference which simply isn't there!!

[S.BMW23]

I personally changed the setting on sport mode to just affect the chassis versuses on sport plus where both chassis and transmission are are effected.

[AudiA4]

I think the MAIN point here is that NO ONE should be driving around on the street in Sport+ mode. No one, because ALL it does is reduce functionality of stability control that should only be reserved for the track. NOTHING MORE folks! Sheeesh.

[WillSkill]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

I think the MAIN point here is that NO ONE should be driving around on the street in Sport+ mode. No one, because ALL it does is reduce functionality of stability control that should only be reserved for the track. NOTHING MORE folks! Sheeesh.

I agree with you mate! Also I feel sport and sport+ throttle response feels about the same...placebo effect for people saying there is a difference?

[eluded]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

I think the MAIN point here is that NO ONE should be driving around on the street in Sport+ mode. No one, because ALL it does is reduce functionality of stability control that should only be reserved for the track. NOTHING MORE folks! Sheeesh.

On the track I would fully disabled sport+. It is highly unpredictable compared to how predictable the chassis is with all the electronics turned off.

[Wires]

Originally Posted by eluded

On the track I would fully disabled sport+. It is highly unpredictable compared to how predictable the chassis is with all the electronics turned off.

I'd agree with you on that. During the BMW driving class, one of the driving instructors (who was doing hot laps in my car when I sat shot gun), ran my E90 into a couple of tight back and forth turns. The car decided his crazy antics weren't safe, and went into full throttle cur and recovery mode.

We took that corner on 3 wheels, he almost filled his pants and asked for the ^%^&*^$%$&&*&&^* nanny features to be turned off.

[snipnoob86]

as part of a forum meet in the uk a year or 2 ago?. We were meeting Steinbauer engineers to have our cars rolled and tested as part of their tune. On the live drive the technician commented that the 435d he had just been in was in sport auto and the gears didnt feel as snappy as my 335d which was in sport+ manual.

he knew his stuff so since this I am sure sport+ has quicker gear changes.

[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by snipnoob86

as part of a forum meet in the uk a year or 2 ago?. We were meeting Steinbauer engineers to have our cars rolled and tested as part of their tune. On the live drive the technician commented that the 435d he had just been in was in sport auto and the gears didnt feel as snappy as my 335d which was in sport+ manual.

he knew his stuff so since this I am sure sport+ has quicker gear changes.

Yeah...um...no.

[Bbb34]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

...NO ONE should be driving around on the street in Sport+ mode. No one, because ALL it does is reduce functionality of stability control that should only be reserved for the track.

Originally Posted by eluded

On the track I would fully disabled sport+. It is highly unpredictable compared to how predictable the chassis is with all the electronics turned off.

Exactly this !!! Couldn't agree more.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make all along. It's not so much owners not being able to handle RWD car with no assist, it's unpredictability of the assist in Sport+ that makes it tricky and somewhat dangerous. Especially true if roads aren't dry.