[Prince_of_Persia]

Originally Posted by 328inGE

Seems like every thread I read there are 335i owners who try to bash or talk down the 328i. I understand what you are trying to say but your comparison to a civic is not accurate or fair. The 335i does have more performance and sound but there are several attributes of the 328i that some people may prefer (MPG, insurance, handling). 90% of the people that bought a 328i could have squeezed the extra $3-5K to get a 335i if they wanted, but they chose not to for one reason or another. Don't get me wrong, I like the 335i, but it is old news to me and until its replacement comes out, I wanted the newer BMW engine.

Plus, some people just like to personalize their cars. I'm sure there will be plenty of 335i owners who will upgrade their exhausts as well.

Yes for sure, I get that. But personally when I see a lot of 328i (e9x ones)around here that are debadged and make loud noises when they actually don't have a lot of power, it makes me laugh.

[Photoman]

Originally Posted by 328inGE

Seems like every thread I read there are 335i owners who try to bash or talk down the 328i. I understand what you are trying to say but your comparison to a civic is not accurate or fair. The 335i does have more performance and sound but there are several attributes of the 328i that some people may prefer (MPG, insurance, handling). 90% of the people that bought a 328i could have squeezed the extra $3-5K to get a 335i if they wanted, but they chose not to for one reason or another. Don't get me wrong, I like the 335i, but it is old news to me and until its replacement comes out, I wanted the newer BMW engine.

Plus, some people just like to personalize their cars. I'm sure there will be plenty of 335i owners who will upgrade their exhausts as well.

No doubt the difference in the US Market may be negligible but one has to remember that the price difference between the 335 and "lower" models is different in various markets... and must take into consideration different taxation regulations on these cars.
e.g. In Canada the 328i MSRP is $43,600 and the 335i MSRP is $51,200; that's a $7,600 difference. If you add the %13 tax we have in Ontario the difference becomes ~$8,500.

[Chill72]

Sounds like shit, it reminds me of a Honda Civic fart pipe.

[darksilkx1]

Originally Posted by cpw2626

I am actually getting a lower payment on the brand new F30 328 than I have now on my 2yo E90 335 and they are both fully loaded. Need to cut cost where I can- kids are expensive!

Really kids are expensive in Germany too? Happy to know I am not alone in my feelings.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Prince_of_Persia

But personally when I see a lot of 328i (e9x ones)around here that are debadged and make loud noises when it actually doesn't have a lot of power, it makes me laugh.

Whats your definition of a lot of power?

Neither N55 or N20 rates in my book and they are separated by about 30whp.

I stopped going to most BMW meets years ago. Want to know why?

These were young guys, quick to call other people ricers. When I looked at their cars, they had M-Stripes, M badges, tons of LEDs, all kinds of questionable mods on automatic 335's. The things they thought were ricey to be done to old Japanese compacts were the same as them, only with higher prices attached. The "bro" atmosphere and flat brims were a huge turn off.

I just don't see an right to elitism over having an 335 vs a 328.

[MaestroAl]

Just watched the vids on the first page and there was a distinct lack of nice noises coming from either car The only "nice" noise was the very last bit of the second vid with the N55 popping on overrun. That was pleasant

[ZooMMM]

[QUOTE=Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Prince_of_Persia

But personally when I see a lot of 328i (e9x ones)around here that are debadged and make loud noises when it actually doesn't have a lot of power, it makes me laugh.

I stopped going to most BMW meets years ago. Want to know why?

These were young guys, quick to call other people ricers. When I looked at their cars, they had M-Stripes, M badges, tons of LEDs, all kinds of questionable mods on automatic 335's. The things they thought were ricey to be done to old Japanese compacts were the same as them, only with higher prices attached. The "bro" atmosphere and flat brims were a huge turn off.


True that. I see "riced" up BMWs here all the time.
As for current 328i... Sorta can't blame anyone for wanting to upgrade... Stock sounds terrible.

[csween86]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Whats your definition of a lot of power?

Neither N55 or N20 rates in my book and they are separated by about 30whp.

I stopped going to most BMW meets years ago. Want to know why?

These were young guys, quick to call other people ricers. When I looked at their cars, they had M-Stripes, M badges, tons of LEDs, all kinds of questionable mods on automatic 335's. The things they thought were ricey to be done to old Japanese compacts were the same as them, only with higher prices attached. The "bro" atmosphere and flat brims were a huge turn off.

I just don't see an right to elitism over having an 335 vs a 328.

I agree with you. Either car isn't good enough to be considered a super good sports car to be bragging. Between the 335 and 328 there really isn't a whole bunch of power compared to other vehicles out there, but your numbers are off... It's about a 60hp difference and a 45 lb-ft difference between the two. Off the line still not too much of a difference, but the difference is made in the pull at highway speeds... We can argue numbers at the wheels all day, but there is not a constant that gives accurate values between different vehicles dyno'd at different locations.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

I stopped going to most BMW meets years ago. Want to know why?

These were young guys, quick to call other people ricers. When I looked at their cars, they had M-Stripes, M badges, tons of LEDs, all kinds of questionable mods on automatic 335's. The things they thought were ricey to be done to old Japanese compacts were the same as them, only with higher prices attached. The "bro" atmosphere and flat brims were a huge turn off.

I just don't see an right to elitism over having an 335 vs a 328.

Damn, I have to agree with you. You pretty much described the "Bimmerfest" I went to at the Rose Bowl earlier this year. I wont stop going just because of the "bro's" because besides them, there were plenty of cool of people and 100's of awesome cars, but I totally get where you're coming from. Also totally agree on the "elitism" issue....

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by csween86

but your numbers are off... It's about a 60hp difference and a 45 lb-ft difference between the two. Off the line still not too much of a difference, but the difference is made in the pull at highway speeds... We can argue numbers at the wheels all day, but there is not a constant that gives accurate values between different vehicles dyno'd at different locations.

Prove my numbers wrong then.

I have been one of the few to dyno the N20 and seen them on various dyno makes.

I have also been around all kinds of dyno days to see N54's and N55's dyno.

The N20 has no problem cracking 240whp on a Dynojet:

Now, we all know the line about different dynos.

Well how about my N20 was on THIS dyno one week ago where it did 214whp.

This N55 showed a 9whp gain, so subtract that.

That's a pretty good case to prove my point. If you want to get into semantics over different days and weather, fine, that can account for a TINY variation

Your numbers would indicate that N55's are doing 300+whp on Dynojets and 275whp on Mustang/Super Flo/Dyno Dynamics which simply is not the case.


I never claimed the numbers between N20 and N55 are slight, 30+ whp is substantial, about what we are seeing from a stage 1 tune.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

Damn, I have to agree with you. You pretty much described the "Bimmerfest" I went to at the Rose Bowl earlier this year. I wont stop going just because of the "bro's" because besides them, there were plenty of cool of people and 100's of awesome cars, but I totally get where you're coming from. Also totally agree on the "elitism" issue....

I have not stopped going to meets either, only I go to meets dedicated to cruising or E36/7/8 get togethers where the people have a different mind set.

[csween86]

Jameson, you can post videos for proof all you want. Like I said, we can argue numbers at the wheels all day, it is a waste of time, there are too many factors... I only pay attention to power at the crank, it never lies.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by csween86

Jameson, you can post videos for proof all you want. Like I said, we can argue numbers at the wheels all day, it is a waste of time, there are too many factors... I only pay attention to power at the crank, it never lies.

I showed you an N55 dyno on the same dyno at the same location I did with my N20. That's pretty good.

Then your last sentence, wow, what a doozy.

It has been common for years, especially with forced induction cars to see them underrated from the factory crank ratings. I have had this happen to a couple of cars of mine, my 2.0TSI CC, 2.3T Viggen, and read about it most recently with the Ford GT500.

This is a concept that also goes old school and dates back to the muscle car days when HP was tied to insurance so the OEM's low balled HP. Cars rated at 425hp at the crank were often making more like 500+.

But hey, whatever. You can believe whatever you want and I am not here to change your mind.

[ibd12nv]

Love this. The same with the setup I purchased for my 335i. This company is awesome. They even have me a guided tour.

[kwike92]

wow sounds great.

[chris4chelsea]

Originally Posted by 328inGE

Seems like every thread I read there are 335i owners who try to bash or talk down the 328i. I understand what you are trying to say but your comparison to a civic is not accurate or fair. The 335i does have more performance and sound but there are several attributes of the 328i that some people may prefer (MPG, insurance, handling). 90% of the people that bought a 328i could have squeezed the extra $3-5K to get a 335i if they wanted, but they chose not to for one reason or another. Don't get me wrong, I like the 335i, but it is old news to me and until its replacement comes out, I wanted the newer BMW engine.

Plus, some people just like to personalize their cars. I'm sure there will be plenty of 335i owners who will upgrade their exhausts as well.

very well said, totally agree except that in Hong Kong, we need to squeeze in a very big portion to have 335i (ard USD31k, let alone insurance and mileage on the heavier 335i) if i have the money, i would have gone for the M3...

[Alliosn]

did you have to modify the non m-sport diffuser for the dual 90mm tips to fit?

[IND-Distribution]

Originally Posted by Alliosn

did you have to modify the non m-sport diffuser for the dual 90mm tips to fit?

It does have a tuner fitment so the factory bumper would need mild trim to fit the 90mm tips.

[F32]

Originally Posted by csween86

I only pay attention to power at the crank, it never lies.

[Alliosn]

Originally Posted by Jesal@IND

It does have a tuner fitment so the factory bumper would need mild trim to fit the 90mm tips.

oh thank you!

[MrMoody]

i would do annything for Eisenmann exhaust on my f30 328

[F80 M Freak]

Originally Posted by MrMoody

i would do annything for Eisenmann exhaust on my f30 328

give me your f30 then!!! LOL


just kidding