[Manbnda]

[reza666]

Not a bad car but sadly i wouldn't pay the same amount of money if i can get BMW which is a solid choice and has a better sale value if a few years when i want to get a new car.
It has to be better and much cheaper to be worth the switch. Sadly the Germans have a long head start. I tried so so many cars when i was going to get myself a new car and even though i found some brands that were pretty good they still could not match the overall quality and appeal of the BMW/Audi/MB so i got a new BMW 4 and replaces my 3 series with.

[Manbnda]

I agree, it will be very difficult for Alfa to enter in this segment successfully.

Alfa can't offer solid experience in this segment, so it will have to offer tremendous value. Specially for the variants to compete with the 328(330i) and 335i(340i). The variant of the video seems to be the M3 competitor.

But on the other hand I think it is possible that some people would be looking for a "less mainstream" car, maybe something more risky, that not every housewife would choose to drive. In general I think reliability is connected to rationality and that is not precisely the fun spirit behind enthusiast people.

Maybe it has a chance. But then again it also competes againts the Jaguar XE.

[WilliCO]

Originally Posted by reza666

Not a bad car but sadly i wouldn't pay the same amount of money if i can get BMW which is a solid choice and has a better sale value if a few years when i want to get a new car.
It has to be better and much cheaper to be worth the switch. Sadly the Germans have a long head start. I tried so so many cars when i was going to get myself a new car and even though i found some brands that were pretty good they still could not match the overall quality and appeal of the BMW/Audi/MB so i got a new BMW 4 and replaces my 3 series with.

This is exactly what I said when I first saw the Range Rover Evoque design, now I see them on the roads every day. It's a little different, since Land Rover was obviously already in the SUV business - but the Evoque was a different car in a different segment aimed at a different audience than anything else they had done before that point.

The car industry is rather unstable, I think, in terms of brand identity. It is a good time for a disrupter to make some noise.

[reza666]

Originally Posted by Manbnda

I agree, it will be very difficult for Alfa to enter in this segment successfully.

Alfa can't offer solid experience in this segment, so it will have to offer tremendous value. Specially for the variants to compete with the 328(330i) and 335i(340i). The variant of the video seems to be the M3 competitor.

But on the other hand I think it is possible that some people would be looking for a "less mainstream" car, maybe something more risky, that not every housewife would choose to drive. In general I think reliability is connected to rationality and that is not precisely the fun spirit behind enthusiast people.

Maybe it has a chance. But then again it also competes againts the Jaguar XE.

Totally agree, and don't forget about MB C class, the new Audi 4 series, Volvo S60 etc. This segment is really tough to get into.

[the_phew]

Everyone was saying this is built on the Dodge Dart/Chrysler 200 platform (i.e. transverse+FWD-based), but that front overhang is so short, it has to be longitudinal+RWD.

Funny, this is FCA's first modern entrant into this segment, and they figured out what has befuddled Acura for 3 decades (i.e. no FWD-based sports sedan will ever threaten BMW). Shame too, because I think Honda could actually build a proper 3-series fighter if they tried.

[Manbnda]

Originally Posted by the_phew

Everyone was saying this is built on the Dodge Dart/Chrysler 200 platform (i.e. transverse+FWD-based), but that front overhang is so short, it has to be longitudinal+RWD.

Funny, this is FCA's first modern entrant into this segment, and they figured out what has befuddled Acura for 3 decades (i.e. no FWD-based sports sedan will ever threaten BMW).

Yes, from what I read somewhere days ago, the Giulia and some other car supposedly a 5 Series competitor were going to be RWD based. Contrary to the MiTo and Giulietta both which will be discontinued.

[sjpaul]

The world is a better place (and the M3 a better car) because of the Giullia. And the XE. And the ATS-V. Competition is a wonderful thing and it brings out the best in us.

[openwheelracing]

One word: Sexy

[the_phew]

Originally Posted by sjpaul

The world is a better place (and the M3 a better car) because of the Giullia. And the XE. And the ATS-V. Competition is a wonderful thing and it brings out the best in us.

True, but my concern is that if the market gets too diluted, automakers won't be able to justify making the niche powertrains/body styles (manuals, diesels, wagons, etc). Knowing BMW, if sales slowed, they'd kill the manual option while continuing to sell fourteen X6s/5GTs a year.

[bahasad]

Repost of a repost of a repost ...

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1142598
http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1142825

[sjpaul]

Originally Posted by the_phew

True, but my concern is that if the market gets too diluted, automakers won't be able to justify making the niche powertrains/body styles (manuals, diesels, wagons, etc). Knowing BMW, if sales slowed, they'd kill the manual option while continuing to sell fourteen X6s/5GTs a year.

BUT... BMW continues to be one of the few games in town for manuals. Its not too likely that the Giullia will suck 6MT buyers away from the M3/M4.

[mike@x-ph.com]

I like it but i will stick with my BMW

[reza666]

Originally Posted by WilliCO

This is exactly what I said when I first saw the Range Rover Evoque design, now I see them on the roads every day. It's a little different, since Land Rover was obviously already in the SUV business - but the Evoque was a different car in a different segment aimed at a different audience than anything else they had done before that point.

The car industry is rather unstable, I think, in terms of brand identity. It is a good time for a disrupter to make some noise.

I welcome new players but here in sweden Alfa Romeo is non existent more or less. I dont even think they have a dealer in anymore in my town and considering how much commercial they will need to do to even bring existing customers to their shops (where they may be) is going to cost a whooole allot of money. I always liked their design but never felt comfortable with the fact that they are non existent in scandinavida (Sweden more specifically) and also they dont have many dealers here anymore.
In any case more cars in the segment is good for us buyers no matter what. I do wish them good luck

[RPM90]

Nice. Like the sound of that engine.
What's in it?

The SC engine in the new Jag sounds sweet too.

[Manbnda]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Nice. Like the sound of that engine.
What's in it?

The SC engine in the new Jag sounds sweet too.

I'm not sure about the source, but I read its a Ferrari specifically made for Alfa Romeo.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

There will be an M3 fighting version of this car. It will be pumping out 503 HP from a Twin Turbo V6, and a lot of Carbon Fiber as well.

I'd take this over an M3 just based on looks alone.

[DHS]

Originally Posted by Manbnda

I agree, it will be very difficult for Alfa to enter in this segment successfully.

Alfa can't offer solid experience in this segment, so it will have to offer tremendous value. Specially for the variants to compete with the 328(330i) and 335i(340i). The variant of the video seems to be the M3 competitor.

But on the other hand I think it is possible that some people would be looking for a "less mainstream" car, maybe something more risky, that not every housewife would choose to drive. In general I think reliability is connected to rationality and that is not precisely the fun spirit behind enthusiast people.

Maybe it has a chance. But then again it also competes againts the Jaguar XE.

Alpha has been in this segment in Europe for a long time. See a whole lot of Alphas in Europe.

[rolltidef32]

Someone in another thread has mentioned the other engine choices and that they weren't impressive by the numbers.

I haven't found any real info on this car's smaller engines. If someone has info, could you please post a link?

[ATLBlue]

Sorry for sounding harsh: Alfa's look great and some of them are fun to drive, but in the end, the fit & finish and reliability are poor.
Alfa will be a no-go as long as they will be owned by Fiat. Italian and french carmakers have claimed for years that they are 'now' at german level but they are still far from it. Somehow, this is also a reason why Chrysler was a good fit for Fiat...
Should they one day be acquired by VW, I would definitely consider an Alfa.

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by ATLBlue

Sorry for sounding harsh: Alfa's look great and some of them are fun to drive, but in the end, the fit & finish and reliability are poor.
Alfa will be a no-go as long as they will be owned by Fiat. Italian and french carmakers have claimed for years that they are 'now' at german level but they are still far from it. Somehow, this is also a reason why Chrysler was a good fit for Fiat...
Should they one day be acquired by VW, I would definitely consider an Alfa.

BMW and VW don't have the greatest reliability results on JD Powers/Consumer Reports either. lol.

[ATLBlue]

Originally Posted by bahasad

BMW and VW don't have the greatest reliability results on JD Powers/Consumer Reports either. lol.

You are right. I struggle to understand these rankings sometimes (even though Fiat came last in the last JD Power ranking which makes sense).
Before my current F30 (!) none of my german cars (Opel, VW, Audi, Porsche, BMW) has broken down or let me stranded. I have had one Chrysler that got towed 3 times at least and 2 Peugeots that spent as much time at the dealership as in my garage.

I often use rental cars and they are a good way to test how cars are aging (a rental car mile is a concept similar to a dog year...). Drive a 30,000 miles Chrysler/Dodge rental (in the US) or Fiat, Peugeot or Citroen (in Europe) and you will probably never buy a car from these brands.
Too bad, because a lot of them really look nice... as does the Alfa!