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I think the last post is probably the sad truth for Cadillac in most cities. Their dealers tend to be complacent and used to dealing with grey hairs that don't cross shop, they just automatically buy a Cadillac. So they're not receptive to the more aggressive customer who's looking to cross shop and expects to be treated well.
To be fair, some BMW dealers are this way too though. However I've been raised to expect comical discounts on American cars, so while the MSRP is close to the 3er, I would suspect that actual purchase prices, especially in a few months when the initial surge dies down, will be significantly cheaper for the ATS than the F30. Of course the dealers will still be awful, and you might get a fwd XTS as a service loaner. |
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10-17-2012, 01:33 PM | #24 |
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I like the looks, both interior and exterior, and configured the same its about 4k cheaper than a 328. Performance/economy is about 10% worse in both directions, and the back seat is a LOT smaller as is the trunk.
Im not paying 40k for a car that can only seat 2 people comfortably and cant hold luggage for a trip. |
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As someone who is currently shopping around, I'd rank the interiors like this: 1) Audi A4/A5 2) ATS 3) Mercedes C Class 4) BMW 3 Series That's not to say any of the interiors are "bad" or poorly done. But the Audi has to be the nicest overall. The ATS is the most daring, interesting and technologically advanced (the stuff CUE does is pretty incredible). All the C has going for it is the interior. And the 3 series is just plain dull. That's how I see it. Last edited by Showtyme5; 10-17-2012 at 02:05 PM.. |
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I agree that the only people that will be buying this car are present Cadillac owners or those who are tired of Acura or Infiniti. I think Acura is in real trouble IMHO. |
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BTW- this is coming from someone who has both a 335i and a CTS Coupe, AND actually test drove a F30 335i and 3.6 ATS. |
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Do you guys in the US seriously think the car has 'looks' inside or out?
I look it from an 'across the pond' perspective and I just can't get my head around the front of the car at all. Where is the design? Is there any theme to it at all? To me the interior dash is just plain horrible, I just couldn't live with it, day in day out, however it drives. Sorry, but I'd just walk by and think some "poor soul" will buy that, and have to live with it. Each to his own, but the ATS doesn't stir me one little bit. HighlandPete |
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i have no idea if you have actaully sat in an ATS. maybe the sport versions look different, but the one i was in. the center console was mostly capacitive plastic . the cubbies in the inside of the doors felt cheap. and all over the cabin was lined with shiny plastic chrome. it was just tacky and the plastic door cubby things were economy car cheap. the only nice touch was the brushed aluminum was polished and the steering wheel was very nice. maybe people have different taste, but like i said my friend and i drove there in my 2010A4. the one you rank at the top of your list for interiors. i'd say the new F30 is at least equivalent materials wise. and the C300 my friend has (pre w204 refresh) i'd say is beneath both the f30 and b8 a4 (and he'll agree on this too , cheap knobs, door pins, steering wheel etc). again i was sitting in a non cue , lower trim 3.6 V6 model. maybe its significantly better on a higher trim line. but the one i was in did not seem particularly great interior wise |
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People who buy cars have different philosophies. Some say a car is to get from point A to point B (Toyota). Some like luxury (Cadillac). Some like sportiness (BMW). We'll see if Cadillac can pull off a new image. One thing I hate about the ATS is the 6-AT, however, my honda accord has 5 cogs so anything will be an upgrade for me. |
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[QUOTE=john08135i;12847048]I love the CTS-V but i never even considered cross shopping this to the 3 series.. and i still wont. The styling has something about it i don't get..
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It was a sport line and I drove in sport mode, but don't know if it had the adjustable suspension. In my test drives I didn't find ATS steering more numb, but the reverse. On Cue versus Idrive, I would recommend not relying on a few magazine reviews and try it yourself. Some of the more tech savvy reviewers have actually liked it, and I much preferred it to Idrive, but to each his own. Agree BMW engines are superior, but I tend to prioritize handling over engines (have owned two Miatas and an RX-8 before I started buying German cars), but certainly understand others have different priorities. The auto box in the ATS has actually gotten very good reviews, especially in sport mode, but it does have two fewer cogs. However, I actually find that helpful when manually shifting it.
I'm not trying to criticize anyone's decision to buy a 3, just trying to explain that the ATS will probably pick off a few former BMW owners (saw a few others on the ATS forum) who are open to trying new things, and was surprised how critical people were of the ATS when they haven't even driven it. And there are a lot of people in this forum who seem very concerned about what other people think about their car (even whether the color is "manly" enough). Buy what you prefer. That's what will make you happy. |
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Yuck. It looks like a brick shit house. So, no thanks.
I thought GM was now a Korean Car Company. Maybe I am ahead of my time!
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The only people who will not cross-shop BMW and Cadillac are those nubie BMW fanboyz who can only see blue and white propellers in their dreams and only care about how others perceive their status by driving a car with the Roundel affixed to the hood. What the real issue is, Cadillac’s first attempt to take on the vaulted 3-series is so good right out of the box, it has you Bimmer-boys scared and doubting your selfworth. Go get a Roundel tattoo.. Christ. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 10-21-2012 at 07:12 AM.. |
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It's clear BMW has changed the focus of the 3 series to attract buyers from other brands. Therefore, it's no surprise that the gap is closing....they can blame themselves for that. I think the consensus opinion on the ATS is pretty clear: it does some things better than the BMW but in the end the BMW is better all 'round. That's not a bad thing. It's actually good...maybe these brands will do away with some complacency and give us more for our 60 grand. |
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