[Robin_NL]

Mine does exactly what 'they'say. 23MPG (US) combined afeter driving 1300 miles so far. More or less the same my F10 535i 8AT did combined. I guess after a few thousand miles more the thing will get closer to 23.5/24MPG


Point is, I don't care, having had 2 M3's (E46 & E90) before.
Maybe some of you guys just want to have it all: A >240HP turbo engine which will blast almost any car out of its way AND very high MPG.

In my book pigs cannot fly.

Priuses can't either.

[ZED4Mjjl]

Step two for BMW will be to reflash the N20 to drop output and improve mileage. These engines were underated as far as HP and TQ anyway. Whether that's good or not is highly subjective.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by ZED4Mjjl

Step two for BMW will be to reflash the N20 to drop output and improve mileage. These engines were underated as far as HP and TQ anyway. Whether that's good or not is highly subjective.

That would be THE dilemma at this forum exactly!

Sacrificing power for more MPG... Anybody?

[noro]

All I can add is that all my new BMWs had a 20% fuel efficiency increase after 20,000 miles. So, before you get too excited about this, try out a fully broken in car 1st.

Yeah.. and once again, get rid of that dumb stop/start feature (this will have to be my signature).

[maswastage]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Maybe some of you guys just want to have it all: A >240HP turbo engine which will blast almost any car out of its way AND very high MPG.

This car already exists, it's called the 335d

Honestly, I'm not too surprised at the drop in the F30's EPA numbers. The original numbers matched those of the diesel, and based on the reports in the "Real world mpg" thread, that just is not the case in real life conditions.

Still, i don't think it's anything much to get worked up over. If you enjoy the car and it makes you smile, that's all that matters.

[Feanor]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Mine does exactly what 'they'say. 23MPG (US) combined afeter driving 1300 miles so far. More or less the same my F10 535i 8AT did combined. I guess after a few thousand miles more the thing will get closer to 23.5/24MPG
....
Maybe some of you guys just want to have it all: A >240HP turbo engine which will blast almost any car out of its way AND very high MPG.

In my book pigs cannot fly.

Well, yes, we do want it all when we're promised it all.

The thing is, no enthusiast is stupid enough to expect to get the advertised fuel economy figures in real world driving. But 23 US mpg is NINTEEN UK mpg while BMW advertises 44 UK mpg.

Such a huge differential, even with a heavy right foot, is nothing short of scandalous IMO.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by maswastage

This car already exists, it's called the 335d

LOL, Fair enough, I didn't mention petrol/gasoline, my bad. Anyway the price for a 335d E90 was a tad higher than a 335i E90. I remember the new F10 535d being 7000 euros(!) more expensive here in Holland than the F10 535i.

In theory: IF ANY F30 335d comes out in the future it will be 15,000 euros more expensive in Holland than a 328i F30 to start with, I reckon....

@Feanor, I understand, I don't want to offend any of you/us guys. But with high power output and fast accelleration comes some sacrifice in MPG I guess.

But BMW has to step up and do what they must do.

[John 070]

My 2007 335i can get 33.x with the cruise set at 62 mph, I'm sure the new 328 can do 36 mpg, just probably not according to the test standards, in which BMW got busted.

The EPA only verifies 10-15% of the vehicles, so BMW could chalk it up to bad luck. Although it's BMW, they're a high profile / big profit car, advertising 36 helps sales.

What I think is disgraceful is the EPA salary range is 105-136 to work there, and you don't even need a bachelor's degree.

[gator15]

Originally Posted by ZED4Mjjl

Step two for BMW will be to reflash the N20 to drop output and improve mileage. These engines were underated as far as HP and TQ anyway. Whether that's good or not is highly subjective.

That is an interesting point. There has been a lot of talk about how close in performance the 328i and the 335i are. Many have speculated that this means that the 335i performance will be boosted with a new engine. Let's hope it doesn't mean that the N20 loses power instead.

[noro]

Originally Posted by John 070

...
What I think is disgraceful is the EPA salary range is 105-136 to work there, and you don't even need a bachelor's degree.

I don't have a bachelor degree and my salary is way higher than that, shall I feel bad about that?

[John 070]

Originally Posted by noro

I don't have a bachelor degree and my salary is way higher than that, shall I feel bad about that?

Not if you're self-made.

[Thud]

I wonder how many cars BMW will have sold with the old EPA numbers.


Off in the distance, I hear the thunder of a thousand lawyers preparing for battle....

[John 070]

Originally Posted by Thud

I wonder how many cars BMW will have sold with the old EPA numbers.


Off in the distance, I hear the thunder of a thousand lawyers preparing for battle....

Why? What the EPA says, goes. They only test 10-15%. You know that mfgs. are literally banking on that. So they got caught.

[chmura]

Many people are getting too paranoid, if BMW got 36mpg then I am sure you can achieve that.

In ALL my cars I actually beat stickered MPG ratings so I wouldn't worry so much.

[Thud]

Originally Posted by svache

As outlined in the BMW communication above, the new 328i apparently had it's fuel economy numbers revised and now shows the same numbers as the 335i in AT, and only slightly better than the 335i in MT.

The numbers are now:

BMW 2012 328i Sedan
City 23 / Highway 33 / Combined 26 - Automatic
City 23 / Highway 34 / Combined 27 - Manual

BMW 2012 335i Sedan
City 23 / Highway 33 / Combined 26 - Automatic
City 20 / Highway 30 / Combined 23 - Manual


With this, I'm just wondering who start to have second thoughts about their choice for the 328i due to the revised fuel economy of the car?

Personally I have no idea what to do yet. My car does not arrive until the end of March, but more likely the first week of April. Should I keep the car because it's cheaper or shall I order a new one and spend a few thousand more (although, in my case, I would leave the cold weather package this time lol). Do I want to wait the extra months or should I just forgo on the whole model and see about a 528i or 535i with slightly less options instead (kind of hard as I love to geek with some of that stuff lol). I did email my CA to see what he can tell me about the revised numbers.

I have no idea what to do yet, but I can say I am not feeling right about this. I do feel a bit like this was false advertising and we should at least have the possibility to upgrade to the 335i if we wish to.

With the original numbers, the 328i only had a $200 per year advantage over the 335i in fuel cost.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32175&id=32177


Keep in mind the 335i numbers might change too, but both cars will still be within just a couple hundred dollars of each other for annual fuel cost.
You're probably saving more than that on insurance for the 328 vs 335.

[Thud]

Originally Posted by John 070

Why? What the EPA says, goes. They only test 10-15%. You know that mfgs. are literally banking on that. So they got caught.

I'm thinking there will be some sort of class action against BMW; exactly for the reason you stated. They will make the case that BMW knowingly inflated their MPG numbers. Many customers already purchased their cars.

[Thud]

Originally Posted by chmura

Many people are getting too paranoid, if BMW got 36mpg then I am sure you can achieve that.

In ALL my cars I actually beat stickered MPG ratings so I wouldn't worry so much.

It's pointless to use the EPA estimates to predict your actual mileage. The EPA test is a specific set of driving conditions. Many people get higher than the EPA, others get lower, depending on how they drive, their climate, the geography and altitude of where they live, etc.

All the EPA numbers are good for are making relative comparisons between cars.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by Thud

It's pointless to use the EPA estimates to predict your actual mileage. The EPA test is a specific set of driving conditions. Many people get higher than the EPA, others get lower, depending on how they drive, their climate, the geography and altitude of where they live, etc.

All the EPA numbers are good for are making relative comparisons between cars.

I agree.

The EPA does their own tests on a chassis dyno with a dyno trace cycle that is called the ftp cycle blended in with a another more higher speed cycle. Humans drive these cycles so driver variation plays a BIG toll on this. Some manufacturers request certain drivers because of their driving style when the vehicle is tested..

[Thud]

Originally Posted by ZED4Mjjl

Step two for BMW will be to reflash the N20 to drop output and improve mileage. These engines were underated as far as HP and TQ anyway. Whether that's good or not is highly subjective.

And if BMW offers this reflash to owners of existing F30 328's, they probably won't have many takers.

[ianbiz]

Originally Posted by svache

My 328i is actually a bit over $53K, the difference with a similar optioned 335i is only 3-4 thousand from what I've seen.. If lose a few options (since I don't move out of Hawaii, I don't need the cold weather package, for example) and go with the 335i, I would pay about the same

Do it!

[jtuds]

Originally Posted by noro

I don't have a bachelor degree and my salary is way higher than that, shall I feel bad about that?

Originally Posted by John 070

Not if you're self-made.

Not in any case. There's a labour market, and if an employer deems that you're worth a certain amount, then that's what you're worth regardless of education.

[e92miami]

Originally Posted by Mason3

Haha! I get 12-16 in my M3, so the 328i is refreshing. I have a feeling my wife will beat any EPA standards. I like the 328i because it was ~ $14K less than a similarly equipped 335i. With a Tune, I have a feeling the 328i is going to be even more fun than it already is.

Get which you like most and don't look back. Regret is a wasted emotion. For me, the $14K I didn't spend for the 335i gets me more satisfaction than my wife would have gotten if we went with the 335i.

Just my 2 cents.
Mason

14k difference, how did you pull that off? Retail is only about 3-3.5k difference (with the same options) did you get some major discount on the 328 that they didn't give you on the 335?