Dinantronics Stage 1 being installed Now on my 435i!

JNMiller · 02-28-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FC4

Hah, yeah...the M235's tires alone are worth a total of 14 or so lbs. over the 3/4-Series. Weight wise, they're significantly closer than their difference in size would indicate. An M235i looks like the illegitimate child of a 435i M-Sport who should have left it in a little longer.

Lol!!

I am going to keep the Dinan installation. It has become really noticeable and I'm enjoying the extra power that's available. It does appear to vary in power though, but the stock car tends to do that at times as well, as I'm sure a few of you have noticed. The car is really quick through 2nd to 5th. I wonder how accurate the advertised power figures are, based on feel, but there is most certainly a good deal more power available.

The Nerd · 02-28-2015, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JNMiller

Lol!!

I am going to keep the Dinan installation. It has become really noticeable and I'm enjoying the extra power that's available. It does appear to vary in power though, but the stock car tends to do that at times as well, as I'm sure a few of you have noticed. The car is really quick through 2nd to 5th. I wonder how accurate the advertised power figures are, based on feel, but there is most certainly a good deal more power available.

Thanks for the update. So worth the $2000 in your opinion? Did you have the MPPK "stacked" version or no? Faith restored to a certain degree....haha.

Vegetable · 02-28-2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JNMiller

It has become really noticeable and I'm enjoying the extra power that's available. It does appear to vary in power though, but the stock car tends to do that at times as well, as I'm sure a few of you have noticed.

Definitely, my car feels like slug on some days and super fast on others.. I made some video clips of 0-60 times of my MPPK and it turns out my car was actually faster on a day when I thought it felt ridiculously sluggish.. Of course this is simply just looking at a video showing my speedo, but still.

rikwynnpa · 03-01-2015, 09:49 PM

Had this installed on my F30 about 3 weeks ago. Like night and day how the car drives now. The car is significantly faster. In comfort mode you cant really feel much, move it to Sport or Sport plus and wow!. Must have not been installed right by your dealer. 70HP cant be missed.

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THANK YOU for sharing.....this is EXACTLY the type of thing that makes me skeptical. Just when I'm ready to pull the trigger on the Dinantronics, I hear another story like this. What scares me (and I asked the Dinan rep this via phone a few weeks ago) is that there isn't a way to "confirm" the system is actually installed correctly other than....in the words of the Dinan rep, "go out and drive it and you'll feel a lot more power!" Well.....I need more than just my butt dyno if I'm spending $2000+ on this thing.

The other thing that is bothersome.....WHY is it so hard to connect this thing so it works correctly?? You're not the first one who's written with issues. I hope they find the problem for your sake.....please keep us posted.

Onesip · 03-02-2015, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Had this installed on my F30 about 3 weeks ago. Like night and day how the car drives now. The car is significantly faster. In comfort mode you cant really feel much, move it to Sport or Sport plus and wow!. Must have not been installed right by your dealer. 70HP cant be missed.

Is the Dinan tune the only mod you have? 70HP at the wheels? how do you know? That is quite a bit.

Damon44 · 03-02-2015, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Onesip

Is the Dinan tune the only mod you have? 70HP at the wheels? how do you know? That is quite a bit.

I believed the 70 hp refers to stacked tune.
Consensus would be that the first gear and initial rpms don't fully demonstrate the power of the tune.
I had to check the harness and still might pay for a dyno run especially before I spend money on Stage 2 Dinan. If I am getting close to 390 horses on my N55 I want to see the gauge.
Luckily I am only keeping the car for 39 months because I cant imagine how that much boost will not wear out parts.
Seems you really need the warranty at that point for protection to not crumble your engine.
I don't know engines but seriously what amount of reserves will they have for that much power?
To the OP go and enjoy the 365-370 horses. The throttle is leaving a grin on your face every time.

FC4 · 03-02-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Onesip

Is the Dinan tune the only mod you have? 70HP at the wheels? how do you know? That is quite a bit.

It's actually a 15-18 RWHP gain from baseline as per several member's dynos.

Vegetable · 03-02-2015, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FC4

It's actually a 15-18 RWHP gain from baseline as per several member's dynos.

Was baseline stock or with MPPK? Only 15-18 RWHP gain for $2,000 + labor is highway robbery.

JNMiller · 03-02-2015, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegetable

Was baseline stock or with MPPK? Only 15-18 RWHP gain for $2,000 + labor is highway robbery.

Peak HP does not appear to be the point of the Dinan offering. At least not for Stage 1 or the coming Stage 2. However, the torque increase appears to be the point...and it is substantial. I feel like there should be more, especially in the higher gears, but it is nice and I think the smooth delivery is deceptive.

franzzz · 03-03-2015, 05:06 AM

any video about the Performance of Dinan ?

Damon44 · 03-03-2015, 05:34 AM

FWIW I was just at the Dinan installer yesterday to have some aluminum pedals installed. Not the BMW ones for $250 A SET BUT SOME VERY NICE Chinese knock off which looked pretty good.
I asked about a dyno run to verify the power added by the Dinan piggyback tune. Because my 435i is RWD, he said the lack of movement in the front wheels might signal the car to go into limp home mode and throw off the dyno so a more complicated set up is needed for a few hundred more.
He did caution about other tunes that may not be as well engineered as Dinan and have less parameters being considered by the engine ECU.

That you are putting a strain on the engine and turbos with many cheaper tunes and engines are very expensive. That the only company formally sanctioned by BMW to manipulate their engines and cars is Dinan who spends the most on engineering and research.
I know part of that is hype but for a few thousand for a few horsepower on what is essentially a plaything, why stress it with something not covered?

I still would like to know my output but he said the power is deceiving from the driver's seat. You have to drive a stock car and then a tuned engine to feel the difference

Buckeyes · 03-03-2015, 07:48 AM

That the only company formally sanctioned by BMW to manipulate their engines and cars is Dinan who spends the most on engineering and research.

That's sounds like a complete sales pitch. If BMW was so buddy buddy with Danin why not tell them the ecu code instead of going through piggyback to fake out the ecu just like everyone else? What we need is for a danin tune, bms tune, and a Mppk tune all go to the same 1/4 mile strip on the same day and seen what's up. Dynos mean nothing without a baseline and crank Hp numbers just sound cool to novice. Same with zero to sixty times, especially from apps.

Damon44 · 03-03-2015, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Trcb777

That the only company formally sanctioned by BMW to manipulate their engines and cars is Dinan who spends the most on engineering and research.

That's sounds like a complete sales pitch. If BMW was so buddy buddy with Danin why not tell them the ecu code instead of going through piggyback to fake out the ecu just like everyone else? What we need is for a danin tune, bms tune, and a Mppk tune all go to the same 1/4 mile strip on the same day and seen what's up. Dynos mean nothing without a baseline and crank Hp numbers just sound cool to novice. Same with zero to sixty times, especially from apps.

I totally agree! Believe me I am at a loss as to which is the best. Just cautious about blowing apart something I am leasing.

auf Deutsch · 03-03-2015, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Trcb777

ecu code instead of going through piggyback to fake out the ecu

Yep, reflash of bust

Thompson_Performance · 03-03-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Had this installed on my F30 about 3 weeks ago. Like night and day how the car drives now. The car is significantly faster. In comfort mode you cant really feel much, move it to Sport or Sport plus and wow!. Must have not been installed right by your dealer. 70HP cant be missed.

Dinan suspension & black M wheels can't be missed either

FSociety · 03-03-2015, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Trcb777

That the only company formally sanctioned by BMW to manipulate their engines and cars is Dinan who spends the most on engineering and research.

That's sounds like a complete sales pitch. If BMW was so buddy buddy with Danin why not tell them the ecu code instead of going through piggyback to fake out the ecu just like everyone else? What we need is for a danin tune, bms tune, and a Mppk tune all go to the same 1/4 mile strip on the same day and seen what's up. Dynos mean nothing without a baseline and crank Hp numbers just sound cool to novice. Same with zero to sixty times, especially from apps.

+1

I have mustang dyno graphs from me on racechip vs my friend on dinan
Cant believe someone would pay $1500+ for stage1 performance
You guys should see Delnari thread he Dyno'ed Baseline/BMS/Dinan but decided aFe (his last tune) was felt more than the previous 2.

The Nerd · 03-03-2015, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ROBNYC

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Originally Posted by Trcb777

That the only company formally sanctioned by BMW to manipulate their engines and cars is Dinan who spends the most on engineering and research.

That's sounds like a complete sales pitch. If BMW was so buddy buddy with Danin why not tell them the ecu code instead of going through piggyback to fake out the ecu just like everyone else? What we need is for a danin tune, bms tune, and a Mppk tune all go to the same 1/4 mile strip on the same day and seen what's up. Dynos mean nothing without a baseline and crank Hp numbers just sound cool to novice. Same with zero to sixty times, especially from apps.

+1

I have mustang dyno graphs from me on racechip vs my friend on dinan
Cant believe someone would pay $1500+ for stage1 performance
You guys should see Delnari thread he Dyno'ed Baseline/BMS/Dinan but decided aFe (his last tune) was felt more than the previous 2.

What are the graphs? I'd like to see the Maxchip vs Dinan hp and torque from your dyno. I have read Delinari's entire thread and it is believed there was something amiss about his install.

jjc4scab · 03-04-2015, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Nerd

What are the graphs? I'd like to see the Maxchip vs Dinan hp and torque from your dyno. I have read Delinari's entire thread and it is believed there was something amiss about his install.

+1 on the graphs

Exterminador · 03-04-2015, 08:20 AM

I did the Dinan Stage 1 on my N54 335i and was not impressed at all. Only a slight improvement was noticed. I later upgraded to Stage 2 and then yes I was able to feel an obvious change in power. I really think that people get wrapped up in the numbers and are raising their expectations to high. The fact of the matter is just listen to the name of the tune "Stage 1" or first step. Do you really think that its going to turn your car into an M4? I am going to wait before I do any modding on my 435. Stage III or nothing with Intercooler and Intake.

Delnari · 03-06-2015, 07:22 PM

I too had the Dinan Stage 2 on my 2007 335i and loved it! This is the only reason I tried the Dinan Stage 1 on the M235i. The graphs are what they are for my runs with the different tune boxes. Seat of the pants fun factor, the aFe is still the best I have tried thus far. Looking to give the RaceChip Ulitmate a go later this month once I get my car through it yearly inspection and service. Really waiting on ole' Man Winter to get the heck out of here so I can really enjoy the car again.

The Nerd · 03-14-2015, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Had this installed on my F30 about 3 weeks ago. Like night and day how the car drives now. The car is significantly faster. In comfort mode you cant really feel much, move it to Sport or Sport plus and wow!. Must have not been installed right by your dealer. 70HP cant be missed.

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Originally Posted by The Nerd

THANK YOU for sharing.....this is EXACTLY the type of thing that makes me skeptical. Just when I'm ready to pull the trigger on the Dinantronics, I hear another story like this. What scares me (and I asked the Dinan rep this via phone a few weeks ago) is that there isn't a way to "confirm" the system is actually installed correctly other than....in the words of the Dinan rep, "go out and drive it and you'll feel a lot more power!" Well.....I need more than just my butt dyno if I'm spending $2000+ on this thing.

The other thing that is bothersome.....WHY is it so hard to connect this thing so it works correctly?? You're not the first one who's written with issues. I hope they find the problem for your sake.....please keep us posted.

So you're saying the tune isn't felt in comfort mode? Meaning....if I floor my car in comfort mode, it'll feel exactly the same as it did without the Dinantronics tune? I ask because I often drive in comfort mode, and if I ever "get on the throttle" without consciously switching to Sport or Sport +, I want to still be able to feel the tune. I thought the different modes were essentially just varying of the tranny's shift points, but all (ECO thru Sport +) allow the engine to put out the same hp....no?

On another note, I'm having this installed on April 5th or 6th and having it dynoed on April 8th. So for those who have wanted another "before and after" for reference, I'll have those (already had the "before" done and will be using the same machine).

kimchee411 · 03-17-2015, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nerd

On another note, I'm having this installed on April 5th or 6th and having it dynoed on April 8th. So for those who have wanted another "before and after" for reference, I'll have those (already had the "before" done and will be using the same machine).

Definitely interested--please report back.

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Damon44 Private First Class 41 Rep 158 Posts Drives: 2015 435i Imperial Blue Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: S Florida iTrader: (0)	FWIW I was just at the Dinan installer yesterday to have some aluminum pedals installed. Not the BMW ones for $250 A SET BUT SOME VERY NICE Chinese knock off which looked pretty good. I asked about a dyno run to verify the power added by the Dinan piggyback tune. Because my 435i is RWD, he said the lack of movement in the front wheels might signal the car to go into limp home mode and throw off the dyno so a more complicated set up is needed for a few hundred more. He did caution about other tunes that may not be as well engineered as Dinan and have less parameters being considered by the engine ECU. That you are putting a strain on the engine and turbos with many cheaper tunes and engines are very expensive. That the only company formally sanctioned by BMW to manipulate their engines and cars is Dinan who spends the most on engineering and research. I know part of that is hype but for a few thousand for a few horsepower on what is essentially a plaything, why stress it with something not covered? I still would like to know my output but he said the power is deceiving from the driver's seat. You have to drive a stock car and then a tuned engine to feel the difference __________________ 435i Imperial Blue 2015 /Luxury/Tech /Premium/MPPK/Dinan Stage 1/Dinan polished tip exhaust/HK/Driver Assist/Driver plus/M Sport Brakes/Side Cameras/Saddle Brown Dakota/Escort Max Radar
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Buckeyes Captain 353 Rep 939 Posts Drives: 2013 335i M Sport Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (2)	That the only company formally sanctioned by BMW to manipulate their engines and cars is Dinan who spends the most on engineering and research. That's sounds like a complete sales pitch. If BMW was so buddy buddy with Danin why not tell them the ecu code instead of going through piggyback to fake out the ecu just like everyone else? What we need is for a danin tune, bms tune, and a Mppk tune all go to the same 1/4 mile strip on the same day and seen what's up. Dynos mean nothing without a baseline and crank Hp numbers just sound cool to novice. Same with zero to sixty times, especially from apps.
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Exterminador Second Lieutenant 19 Rep 243 Posts Drives: 2015 435i convertible Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Puerto Rico iTrader: (0)	I did the Dinan Stage 1 on my N54 335i and was not impressed at all. Only a slight improvement was noticed. I later upgraded to Stage 2 and then yes I was able to feel an obvious change in power. I really think that people get wrapped up in the numbers and are raising their expectations to high. The fact of the matter is just listen to the name of the tune "Stage 1" or first step. Do you really think that its going to turn your car into an M4? I am going to wait before I do any modding on my 435. Stage III or nothing with Intercooler and Intake.
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Delnari Major 255 Rep 1,040 Posts Drives: 2014 MG F22 Auto Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA iTrader: (2)	I too had the Dinan Stage 2 on my 2007 335i and loved it! This is the only reason I tried the Dinan Stage 1 on the M235i. The graphs are what they are for my runs with the different tune boxes. Seat of the pants fun factor, the aFe is still the best I have tried thus far. Looking to give the RaceChip Ulitmate a go later this month once I get my car through it yearly inspection and service. Really waiting on ole' Man Winter to get the heck out of here so I can really enjoy the car again.
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