[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by bmbweber

The car was properly corner balanced and aligned when the coilovers were installed... I have Hankook Evo2 V12's as summer tires and Continential Extreme Contact as all seasons on the stock wheels.

Awesome, as so many forget these important details. Sounds like an M4 may be in your future as you perfer the driving feel of the M4 better than the 435i. Cool, enjoy and drive it like you stole it

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by bmbweber

This is probably the best exhaust video I've heard of the S55

Here's what makes BMWs a fun car, a group to hang with. Everyone makes the car to their own fun 'specs'. BTW, here's my fave engine sound of the cars that have been with me. Wasn't a fast car, yet the sound was Italian classic 'opera of 8' singing.

Of course it got VERY annoying in short time on public roads (drone, etc).

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Insane435

The M4 is all fine and dandy but i can't get over the raspy, civic-y exhaust note. I personally believe any F80 owner who thinks it sounds good is fooling them-self. When you are driving it, I could see why an owner would think its fine because the cabin is so well insulated. But if you are behind one or see one go by its really not appealing. Believe me, I want to be proven wrong so I can go buy one. Until I can hear one in person with an aftermarket exhaust and DP's thats sounds good enough to live with, I will continue to pass on it and piss money into my 435.

Its undoubtedly better than an 435 msport in every department but I personally draw the line somewhere and sound to me a big part of the driving experience. Its unfortunate because the whole segment is beginning to sound terrible, so maybe in like 5 years the M4 will sound like God's chariot compared to the rest.

...which is why I went with an MPE. The stock exhaust is too raspy. The ZCP is much better, the MPE is amazing.

Edit:

Not my video, but here's a cold start. You can hear the difference at about 10 sec. when he opens up the flap. My wife complains while I giggle. Think I'm fooling myself? Come on, that sounds nothing like a civic, which CAN sound good by the way.

[ksa]

I made the switch the other way M3 to 440 GC...hoenstly I get bored of all cars. M3 bored me eventually (7 months) and now I am bored of the 440 (4 months). That being said have 440 has both M perf packs and the exhaust is more entertaining. Might look into the M4 next but almost feel like getting a SUV again (had a X5M).

[jmg]

Originally Posted by ksa

I made the switch the other way M3 to 440 GC...hoenstly I get bored of all cars. M3 bored me eventually (7 months) and now I am bored of the 440 (4 months). That being said have 440 has both M perf packs and the exhaust is more entertaining. Might look into the M4 next but almost feel like getting a SUV again (had a X5M).

I get it. I only had my 340 for 3 months. I've had the M3 for 16 months now and I really enjoy it, but now that I have the i3 to supplement my wife's SUV as practical family haulers, I can swap my M3 for something more sporty like a couple. I'm thinking Maserati GranTurismo next. There are some great deals on them since they are so old. I know it's slower than the M3, but the Ferrari sounds and GT shape gets me. That or a C63 S Coupe, or 718 GTS.

I'm not sure the M4 is going to make you happy though, since you got bored of your M3. They both perform and drive exactly the same. Subjectively, I find the M3 more visually exciting. If I'm going to stick with an M as my next car, I would still get another M3 just because I love the way it looks over the M4.

[ksa]

Originally Posted by jmg

I get it. I only had my 340 for 3 months. I've had the M3 for 16 months now and I really enjoy it, but now that I have the i3 to supplement my wife's SUV as practical family haulers, I can swap my M3 for something more sporty like a couple. I'm thinking Maserati GranTurismo next. There are some great deals on them since they are so old. I know it's slower than the M3, but the Ferrari sounds and GT shape gets me. That or a C63 S Coupe, or 718 GTS.

I'm not sure the M4 is going to make you happy though, since you got bored of your M3. They both perform and drive exactly the same. Subjectively, I find the M3 more visually exciting. If I'm going to stick with an M as my next car, I would still get another M3 just because I love the way it looks over the M4.

True and agreed for most part. Problem being because of my switches so often the only vehicle I end up getting are BMW's because that way I don't incur negative equity. If I go another brand that means taking way too much of a loss which is one thing I don't want to start doing. Switching often is bad enough. Before I got into BMW's, had a W204 C63AMG which was amazing and I wouldn't mind the new coupe but then again that means me being able to keep one of my cars to full lease terms so I can switch without incurring negative equity. First world problems.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by ksa

True and agreed for most part. Problem being because of my switches so often the only vehicle I end up getting are BMW's because that way I don't incur negative equity. If I go another brand that means taking way too much of a loss which is one thing I don't want to start doing. Switching often is bad enough. Before I got into BMW's, had a W204 C63AMG which was amazing and I wouldn't mind the new coupe but then again that means me being able to keep one of my cars to full lease terms so I can switch without incurring negative equity. First word problems.

Just do a lease swap!

[ksa]

Originally Posted by jmg

Just do a lease swap!

Tell me more about this, what do you mean? Swap with the dealer or private person? I've had mine for lease assumption up for two months and not even a single enquiry so far. lol

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by jmg

...which is why I went with an MPE. The stock exhaust is too raspy. The ZCP is much better, the MPE is amazing.

Edit:

Not my video, but here's a cold start. You can hear the difference at about 10 sec. when he opens up the flap. My wife complains while I giggle. Think I'm fooling myself? Come on, that sounds nothing like a civic, which CAN sound good by the way.

This has my attention again. The cold start is ass. I think that's a given, hell my cold start isnt pleasent. Its a bmw thing i think. No big deal. The mpe though seems to not be too raspy. Its hard to distguish over a video the exhaist revving out with rasp vs the pops/ upshift bangs. Those always sound farty on video. In person they have a huge presence.

Hmmmm. Hmmmm hmmmmmm

[zamboni]

I just made a switch from F30 335i to M3 6MT and never regretted, the power and handling on F80 is incredible.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by ksa

Tell me more about this, what do you mean? Swap with the dealer or private person? I've had mine for lease assumption up for two months and not even a single enquiry so far. lol

Private party. What are your lease terms? Maybe your rate and payments aren't attractive enough?

Originally Posted by Insane435

This has my attention again. The cold start is ass. I think that's a given, hell my cold start isnt pleasent. Its a bmw thing i think. No big deal. The mpe though seems to not be too raspy. Its hard to distguish over a video the exhaist revving out with rasp vs the pops/ upshift bangs. Those always sound farty on video. In person they have a huge presence.

Hmmmm. Hmmmm hmmmmmm

You can also start the car with booth flaps open. First I press the start button without pressing the brake so it goes into accessory mode. Then I hit the M1 button with I have set to sport mode. This will open up the exhaust flap. Then I start the car up like normal. BRRROOOOM! It sounds heavenly.

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by jmg

Private party. What are your lease terms? Maybe your rate and payments aren't attractive enough?



You can also start the car with booth flaps open. First I press the start button without pressing the brake so it goes into accessory mode. Then I hit the M1 button with I have set to sport mode. This will open up the exhaust flap. Then I start the car up like normal. BRRROOOOM! It sounds heavenly.

Do the competition package cars have something different with the exhaust? Ive listened to a non comp and comp both with MPE and the comp car seems like it has a way deeper tone.

[bmbweber]

I think this will be the right decision. I'm going to sell both of my cars and buy a cheap DD and then an M3/4 for the weekend...

Then another question arises... M3/4 VS GTR

[ksa]

Originally Posted by jmg

Private party. What are your lease terms? Maybe your rate and payments aren't attractive enough?

.

Don't think mine are particularly bad to be honest. I compared to the equivalent options on leasebusters and everyone seems to be paying a little more monthly and for 435's not even 440's. Here is mine;

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...ationFlag=true

This is in Canada btw.

[Insane435]

Originally Posted by bmbweber

I think this will be the right decision. I'm going to sell both of my cars and buy a cheap DD and then an M3/4 for the weekend...

Then another question arises... M3/4 VS GTR

im aligning myself to do the same. Im looking at a 2008 X5 today as a cheap DD. Then I can sell my 435 private party for a higher dollar and not have to front the money for the M or lose on a dealer trade in.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by ksa

Don't think mine are particularly bad to be honest. I compared to the equivalent options on leasebusters and everyone seems to be paying a little more monthly and for 435's not even 440's. Here is mine;

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...ationFlag=true

This is in Canada btw.

So that's in Canadian dollars? Seems decent considering you are paying the assumption costs plus letting the new leaser keep the MSD. Maybe put that up top in your title or something, it's a little buried. Overall though, you could lease a bear bones M3/4 here in the US for that price. 75k is about $58k USD, which isn't bad, but not great. Your rate is good though. That's a tough one. I'm betting potential buyers think they can get a better deal at the dealer, even with your MSD.

[5ilver-5amurai]

A lot of really valid points with respect to rebutting my opinion. I'm still not sold on the jump between the x35/x40 and a full blown M car. Maybe it was my fault for setting my expectations too high. As blasphemous as this may sound, but I think the 6 cylinder turbos between all the German competitors feel like they're somewhere in the same ballpark power band. I'm greatly impressed by the 8-cylinder engines that the boys down at M and AMG are putting in the new M5 and E63S. I feel like that would really be the jump I'm looking for when it comes to getting something that feels substantially different than my current ride. Just my 2 cents - I don't mean to belittle anyone's purchase.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by 5ilver-5amurai

A lot of really valid points with respect to rebutting my opinion. I'm still not sold on the jump between the x35/x40 and a full blown M car. Maybe it was my fault for setting my expectations too high. As blasphemous as this may sound, but I think the 6 cylinder turbos between all the German competitors feel like they're somewhere in the same ballpark power band. I'm greatly impressed by the 8-cylinder engines that the boys down at M and AMG are putting in the new M5 and E63S. I feel like that would really be the jump I'm looking for when it comes to getting something that feels substantially different than my current ride. Just my 2 cents - I don't mean to belittle anyone's purchase.

Daily driving, and the x40 and the M3/4 are pretty apparent. However, the M really shines when pushed to the limit. There is almost a .07g difference on the skidpad, a .8s difference to 60, 2 seconds to 100, and a 14mph difference in the 1/4. Go to an M track day and drive one, then try the same thing in a 340i. The difference is staggering.

[5ilver-5amurai]

Originally Posted by jmg

Daily driving, and the x40 and the M3/4 are pretty apparent. However, the M really shines when pushed to the limit. There is almost a .07g difference on the skidpad, a .8s difference to 60, 2 seconds to 100, and a 14mph difference in the 1/4. Go to an M track day and drive one, then try the same thing in a 340i. The difference is staggering.

Maybe that's why I'm not sold on the difference - I don't track my cars. I do some spirited driving here and there though

[ksa]

Originally Posted by jmg

So that's in Canadian dollars? Seems decent considering you are paying the assumption costs plus letting the new leaser keep the MSD. Maybe put that up top in your title or something, it's a little buried. Overall though, you could lease a bear bones M3/4 here in the US for that price. 75k is about $58k USD, which isn't bad, but not great. Your rate is good though. That's a tough one. I'm betting potential buyers think they can get a better deal at the dealer, even with your MSD.

I have had a couple of M3's and wouldn't mind going back to one again or the M4 but obviously can't do that until I get rid of the 440. If I do get lucky and get rid of the 440 lease all clear, I'll look into other Audi and Benz options. After 3 M's and a 440 I wouldn't mind trying out something other than BMW. but the only way I see that happening is I get rid of the 440 privately because no dealer would give me a trade in value without a substantial negative equity except probably BMW again.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by 5ilver-5amurai

Maybe that's why I'm not sold on the difference - I don't track my cars. I do some spirited driving here and there though

Canyon runs in both my 340i and my M3 convinced me.

[stormlv]

Originally Posted by jmg

Canyon runs in both my 340i and my M3 convinced me.

I don't know why, but after reading that I immediately thought of this clip I saw a while back

But I know what you mean