[AudiA4]

...and why?

[Zirenz2006]

You trolling?

[jmschnur]

Sorry,

I love the 340

[kadify]

I am sort of. I love my car but my car has already been in for service about 5 (6?) times for a creak in the steering shroud, the driver seat, and a something rolling around in the passenger door/near the passenger footwell and every time I get the car back from the dealer they claim to have fixed it and yet it is still there. That is less a problem with the actual car and moreso with a dealership that can't seem to diagnose and fix anything correctly, but at the same time, the car as new as it is, shouldn't have this many issues from the get go.

I had two audis before and neither had the sense of 'cheapness' that I get from my F36. That isn't to say that I don't love my car to bits and wouldn't pick my car again because it is the best all around vehicle I was able to find when looking, but I do miss the feeling of getting into a rock solid car.

[CIWS]

Originally Posted by kadify

I had two audis before and neither had the sense of 'cheapness' that I get from my F36. That isn't to say that I don't love my car to bits and wouldn't pick my car again because it is the best all around vehicle I was able to find when looking, but I do miss the feeling of getting into a rock solid car.

All cars of every make have certain units that have issues, Audi is no different. I can speak to a member of our car club who has a S7 that's been at the dealership for 12 weeks total in the last 8 months trying to get them to fix rattles and noises the car makes that the service manager acknowledges are there but they can not solve. The case is with AoA. The owner gets pissed because the Audi loaners he keeps getting are fine but his S7 is a PoS build.

[AudiA4]

I suppose reliability and dealer performance are each a part of the experience, but my question was really directed toward your satisfaction with the product (car).

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

I suppose reliability and dealer performance is all a part of the experience, but my question was really directed toward your satisfaction with the product (car).

Very happy with mine. Why? Great torque, handling, power and love the level of sophistication (engineering quality, sensors, etc).

Now that I'm getting close to end of warranty, we'll see how it performs in terms of reliability. Things may change depending on that outcome.

[SoDiezl350]

Wish it had less wind noise. Haven't been in a German car with this much noise before. Already had the dealer replace all the window stripping and windshield seals to no avail.

[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

...and why?

Starting the year off trolling.... Already have Audi in your tag name....

Just hoped you left such behavior in 2015.

[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Starting the year off trolling.... Already have Audi in your tag name....

Just hoped you left such behavior in 2015.

Such a strange comment. I own TWO BMW's and it is a legitimate question. I'm not overly enamored with my F30 and was curious if anyone else felt the same.

[nicknaz]

I'm ambivalent about my 335 because I have an M3 also

j/k

I like the 335 a lot and on the weekends my wife and I grab the keys to the 335 much more than the M3 since the 335 is a bit more comfortable, quieter ( and most importantly, I don't really care anymore if it picks up a ding or two while parked...)

Nice first world problem you have, OP, to start off the new year griping about your 2 bmws

[kadify]

Originally Posted by CIWS

All cars of every make have certain units that have issues, Audi is no different. I can speak to a member of our car club who has a S7 that's been at the dealership for 12 weeks total in the last 8 months trying to get them to fix rattles and noises the car makes that the service manager acknowledges are there but they can not solve. The case is with AoA. The owner gets pissed because the Audi loaners he keeps getting are fine but his S7 is a PoS build.

Wouldn't he have a case for a lemon buyback at that point? I'm not quite there and have only had the car 4 months but I'm probably at approximately 2 weeks so far of it at the dealer trying to get things fixed.

[Firaxis]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

Such a strange comment. I own TWO BMW's and it is a legitimate question. I'm not overly enamored with my F30 and was curious if anyone else felt the same.

I've been driving hot hatches for quite a while (Cupra, QV, ST).. There's pro's and con's to all of them, but I got a 2016 Beemer 335 saloon and I'm not sure how you could fault it. Reason I mention year is because they had a couple of tweaks mid 2015..

It's comfortable, powerful, quite economical for what it is, steering is pretty good for quite a weighty car, well built, well priced, practical and looks pretty nice inside and out. I'm sure there is better out there for more money..

Why, what's the issues with yours?

[P-Bass]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

...and why?

First one I'm not in love with. Also my 1st x-drive, never again. Still a great car, but the steering, the disconnected nature compared to my 2011 E90 bothers me which is why for the first time in 17+ years I am seriously considering an alternative. Every time I drive my wife's 2012 328 convertible it all comes back how great these cars used to drive. It still may be an M4 but definitive not a 340. I drove one and while it is an improvement, still not what I'm looking for. I want/need a more focused, connected car and BMW has forsaken me for volume. I have said it before, I understand the business case, doesn't mean I have to like it, and I definitely do not. CPO 991/911 is very high on my list and the most likely choice.

[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by Firaxis

I've been driving hot hatches for quite a while (Cupra, QV, ST).. There's pro's and con's to all of them, but I got a 2016 Beemer 335 saloon and I'm not sure how you could fault it. Reason I mention year is because they had a couple of tweaks mid 2015..

It's comfortable, powerful, quite economical for what it is, steering is pretty good for quite a weighty car, well built, well priced, practical and looks pretty nice inside and out. I'm sure there is better out there for more money..

Why, what's the issues with yours?

Agreed. It's a good car and gets a lot of things right...maybe even the important things in today's market.

I may elaborate later, but when I got my E90, it exceeded my expectations and I appreciated it even more over time. In my experience, I'd call that a great car. Time will tell in my F30, but I don't feel as one with the car as the E90...the whole chassis seems a bit loose and less engaging. I do appreciate the additional tech, features, space, and aesthetics...great looking car.

[Firaxis]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

Agreed. It's a good car and gets a lot of things right...maybe even the important things in today's market.

I may elaborate later, but when I got my E90, it exceeded my expectations and I appreciated it even more over time. In my experience, I'd call that a great car. Time will tell in my F30, but I don't feel as one with the car as the E90...the whole chassis seems a bit loose and less engaging. I do appreciate the additional tech, features, space, and aesthetics...great looking car.

I've never driven an E90, but through a vast range of cars understand the differences in technical engineering as opposed to mechanical fun. For e.g. an ST I could immediatley feel a difference in weight / traction (due to Xdrive / size).

The steering in the 335 was pretty light, which was slightly odd. There was a difference in lateral G. through corners at even relative speeds which I had to admit ran in favour of the ST, the ST does have a mind bending centre of gravity but apart from that compared to the Beemer that's about where it's luck runs out.

The Beemer is extremely technically competent and civilised I suppose, I did think it was quite fun (or I wouldn't have bought it). The ST is far less technically competent and unruly (even though it ain't exactly a fast car), which I kind of liked about it (sometimes).. The novelty wore thin after a while.

Of course a Focus ST isn't on the same stratosphere as the Beemer, but had a couple of standout bits. Ultimatley it's all highly subjective and in my case it doesn't really bother me, which I guess the question is does it bother you?

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by AudiA4

Agreed. It's a good car and gets a lot of things right...maybe even the important things in today's market.

I may elaborate later, but when I got my E90, it exceeded my expectations and I appreciated it even more over time. In my experience, I'd call that a great car. Time will tell in my F30, but I don't feel as one with the car as the E90...the whole chassis seems a bit loose and less engaging. I do appreciate the additional tech, features, space, and aesthetics...great looking car.

My brother has a 2011 E90 335 and I have a 2014 F30 328i. I've driven my brothers car extensively. The only thing I liked better in his car was the hydraulic steering. I say liked because after I got used to the F30 I think his car steers like a truck. My brother likes my car so much he wants to trade. I'm actually afraid to give him the keys anymore. Thats a realtime, right now assessment of the two cars, not now vs some memory of the past.

So, live in the past if you must. But there plenty of F30 owners who have moved on from the beloved E90.

Heck if we are going backwards, I'd vote for my 2003 540 with M tech package. But, my F30 328i is better in almost all ways other than nostalgia factor.

Bottom line: F30 is a great car. You asked. That is the answer for me.


Edit: Crap, I just reread your your original post. You were just asking for who is ambivalent or worse. Sorry I responded. As other have said, you do sound a bit troll-like begging a negative response with a name like audia4. But, its a new year. I will assume your question is legitimate.

[AudiA4]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

Edit: Crap, I just reread your your original post. You were just asking for who is ambivalent or worse. Sorry I responded. As other have said, you do sound a bit troll-like begging a negative response with a name like audia4. But, its a new year. I will assume your question is legitimate.

Okay, seriously...it's just a screen name (I owned an Audi in the 1990's). How is this not a legitimate question? I'm not comparing my BMW to my brother's BMW, I OWN both cars, and am curious if anyone else feels a bit underwhelmed by the F30, for whatever reason.

I've already outlined my take in general...not a bad car, just not a great one (and I'm not alone in that assessment...read just about any review). I'm glad you are comfortable with yours.

[P-Bass]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

My brother has a 2011 E90 335 and I have a 2014 F30 328i. I've driven my brothers car extensively. The only thing I liked better in his car was the hydraulic steering. I say liked because after I got used to the F30 I think his car steers like a truck. My brother likes my car so much he wants to trade. I'm actually afraid to give him the keys anymore. Thats a realtime, right now assessment of the two cars, not now vs some memory of the past.

So, live in the past if you must. But there plenty of F30 owners who have moved on from the beloved E90.

Heck if we are going backwards, I'd vote for my 2003 540 with M tech package. But, my F30 328i is better in almost all ways other than nostalgia factor.

Bottom line: F30 is a great car. You asked. That is the answer for me.


Edit: Crap, I just reread your your original post. You were just asking for who is ambivalent or worse. Sorry I responded. As other have said, you do sound a bit troll-like begging a negative response with a name like audia4. But, its a new year. I will assume your question is legitimate.

That's you and your brothers subjective opinion, mine is the polar opposite and I own an E90 and lease a F30. "Trucklike"? Seriously? I think you've all gone soft and like the easy steering F30. The handling is there, the car is competent (and fast), but you have to trust it where as you used to feel it, big difference. I honestly don't think there are many real car guys on this forum anymore, especially when I see threads like, "What little thing about your car made you smile today?" Where am I? On top of that you all get defensive when someone like AudiA4 dares to question how people feel about BMW's new direction. So many of you have gone over to the luxury dark side, not for me, which is why when this lease is up I'll more than likely be gone. Over to that other German brand beginning with a "P" that still builds cars for drivers. It's been fun, but for me I see an open door and will probably go through it this summer..

[Jamesons Viggen]

I wound up selling mine.

It was less an issue of it being the F30 and more an issue of most any new car without going to sports/exotics.

For me, the F30 was the top of the class(RWD, entry level luxury/sports sedans available with a stick).

Today the only thing I miss about my F30 was the way it looked. I could not walk away from it without doing the look back. F30 in EB2 in Msport guise is one of the best looking sedans offered.

But I was never smitten with it. It was incredibly competent. But that doesn't equate to passion. The problem is the E36/7 I had parked next to it. From the way it smells, sounds, feels, steers, shifts, its special. The F30 didnt have that, but most new cars don't either.

I decided why have it take up space if I wasn't MOVED by it.

[PRODIGAL KING]

Definitely agree with psa955, very well said there's a 3,4,6,7 and x5 in my drive way and I had a old e92 335i and I understand what he's saying, today bmws are made for any and everyone to drive now even the manuals, Ms, etc, who wants rev match in a manual shift car there basically taking all the fun of you doing most the work yourself away from there vehicles. And play Audi and Benz all you want but today Benz and Audi make a better car, I'm not siding clearly I like bmw I'm just being honest do your research, blue 2014 Boxster in the garage friend so I understand exactly what your saying a true drivers car! Bmw electric steering is trash I miss rock and pinion if you pay attention to the world today they make every and anything today to make you lazier, no one wants to work for nothing!

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by PSA955

That's you and your brothers subjective opinion, mine is the polar opposite and I own an E90 and lease a F30. "Trucklike"? Seriously? I think you've all gone soft and like the easy steering F30. The handling is there, the car is competent (and fast), but you have to trust it where as you used to feel it, big difference. I honestly don't think there are many real car guys on this forum anymore, especially when I see threads like, "What little thing about your car made you smile today?" Where am I? On top of that you all get defensive when someone like AudiA4 dares to question how people feel about BMW's new direction. So many of you have gone over to the luxury dark side, not for me, which is why when this lease is up I'll more than likely be gone. Over to that other German brand beginning with a "P" that still builds cars for drivers. It's been fun, but for me I see an open door and will probably go through it this summer..

Yes. Trucklike. Maybe his has steering system problem, but it is actually hard to steer. The dealer said it is fine. I've never driven another 335 so maybe it is an anomaly.

The steering on my 328 Msport with DHP is fine. Tightens up nicely when I put it in sport mode. While not a racer, I've been driving BMWs for 25 years so its not like this is a new thing for me.

I wasn't meaning to be defensive to the OP, but if we are being real here, the topic of BMW's new direction and how great the E90 was and how soft the F30 is and how we can't believe what BMW is doing and how horrible it is that BMW is leaving the enthusiast in the ditch while catering to the mass buying public and on and on has bee played out again and again and again in F30 post for 4 years now. Now matter if one thinks BMW is evil in doing so, it happened. A real enthusiasts choices are, I guess, going to a 2 series, keeping their E90, or going to another brand. In the meantime, subjective enthusiasts like me will continue enjoying their F30s each day and wait for the next post about BMWs downhill slide.