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We can apply this argument to virtually all of BMW's model history. We've had base 'entry level' models without any sporting extras from the first generation 3-series, over here in Europe. A basic E90 318 (non sport) sedan was no way comparable to a well specified M-sport 335i. Same applies to the E46. We have F30 base model sedans with 3-cylinder 1.5 engines over here. It hasn't "watered down the brand", it has always been the BMW way. Offer a wide scope, price point and specification. I sense the US market is different, you've had selected models, not as full a range of a series. |
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02-01-2018, 09:42 AM | #24 |
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As a car that is tremendous fun to drive and really communicates with the driver, the GTI has the attributes the F30 lacks. It’s not comparable in size and refinement but it’s damn good and great fun.
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I'd argue the MK7 GTI is easily in the same level of refinement as an F3X, probably even better, particularly the interior fit/finish.
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Never could understand these counter-posts ... its like promoting death in ICU
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But the overall package in the BMW is more refined. Ride and engine for certain are better in the BMW. The GTI engine is really good but the N20 in my 328 was in a different league. |
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I think two distinct things that can't be understated is 50/50 weight distro, RWD vs FWD and comparing the 2 turbo 4 cyl engines. I think the n20 is a far more refined 4 banger, such as it is, than anything Ive experienced from VW and even with my wife's FWD Tiguan which has the exact same engine as the mk6 GTI, even 200HP going to those front wheels feels unstable and squirrely. The 328 properly equipped is just in another league (but it IS more $$) vs. the GTI but for the money, I don't think there is a better FWD small car on the market that beats the GTI. But comparing it to a BMW is kind of silly. The mk7 R I have yet to drive and am afraid if I did, I would be sold.
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My GTI was stage 1 and putting that much power down to the front wheels was unpleasant at times.
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02-01-2018, 06:59 PM | #34 | |
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For 2018, no more Sport model but the 220 hp engine is standard on all GTI's in the US. Once again PP features are standard on the 2 higher trim levels. There are still issues putting the stock HP down from a standing start with too much throttle unless you change some mounts. |
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Competitors to the VW Golf GTI (~220hp) are:
- Honda Civic Si (~205hp) - Subaru WRX (~268hp) - Ford Focus ST (~250hp) - Mini Cooper JCW (~220hp) I would never buy/lease a VW (personal reasons), but they do make a nice vehicles. I cannot comment on the quality of the interior (or build quality), but I think the above 4 vehicles are better comparisons to the GTI than a 3 series. Have you guys driven any of the above 4/5 vehicles ? Would be curious to see what you guys thought of the GTI competitors |
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I've had four E9x (still have an E90 & E92); I also currently have an F32.
They're both different cars, with different "personalities", and each has its own strengths and weaknesses. With that said, I prefer the overall "personality" of the F32. |
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You came to the F30 forums to promote a video saying our cars suck?
I enjoy my car so I don't care if you dont lol So on behalf of all of us that like our F3x: Screw you loser
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And I'm not saying the f30 is without fault
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We see the comments on the VW GTI, how great it I. But how does it compare with the bread and butter Golf models. Drive a base 1.0 TSI Golf and see how it compares to the GTI or Golf R. I've had a Golf diesel 'Bluemotion' model as a hire car, sparse spec', bland car to drive. No GTI by any stretch of the imagination, don't expect it to be. Why should all BMW models been seen in a special way? |
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