[falar]

Originally Posted by SamS

Re: M340i, not gonna happen.

BTW, it's super easy to get a 335i to $63K. I personally would not option one out for less. Count on a 340i LCI to have $2-3K "new" additional option (like full LED headlights, and I can see my next car having an MSRP of $66K, maybe a bit more.

Agreed, that's what mine cost and if the LCI has 365hp I'm getting into one ASAFP.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by falar

Agreed, that's what mine cost and if the LCI has 365hp I'm getting into one ASAFP.

Or? Or? Or ... You could just buy a 400hp M3.

[falar]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Or? Or? Or ... You could just buy a 400hp M3.

That was my line of thinking when the F80 came out, ED one when this lease is up. However, things always change. Sometimes when I see a nice 550 M-Sport (post LCI) I feel a bit of regret as well.

Basically, the F10 550i, F80 M3 and 335/340i all appeal to me for different reasons.

[ZilberGrau ZHP]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Or? Or? Or ... You could just buy a 400hp M3.

I love the GC and the body style and look - would love the 365hp BUT I will drive my 435 for the next 3 years while they work the kinks out of the engine- I am not for buying anyone's engine first year- BMW is no exception- after a couple of years and millions of real world miles I would like a new one in 2018 ish model that I can completely customize at BMW Individual and drive my GC while I wait for my "perfect" one. No replacement for displacement and Ill take 365 over 300 hp and the torque that comes with it anytime. Ill just let them test it and tweak it first.

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by Ze4eMCe

I love the GC and the body style and look - would love the 365hp BUT I will drive my 435 for the next 3 years while they work the kinks out of the engine- I am not for buying anyone's engine first year- BMW is no exception- after a couple of years and millions of real world miles I would like a new one in 2018 ish model that I can completely customize at BMW Individual and drive my GC while I wait for my "perfect" one. No replacement for displacement and Ill take 365 over 300 hp and the torque that comes with it anytime. Ill just let them test it and tweak it first.

I don't quite understand how the expression " no replacement for dispacement" applies here.

[ZilberGrau ZHP]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

I don't quite understand how the expression " no replacement for dispacement" applies here.

I already planning financially to get a 440 GC and as stated in my post- the extra 65hp and the torque that accompanies it is enough for me to get a new model- in 3 years. misspelled displacement

[Vegetable]

Originally Posted by Ze4eMCe

I already planning financially to get a 440 GC and as stated in my post- the extra 65hp and the torque that accompanies it is enough for me to get a new model- in 3 years. misspelled displacement

Right.. but still don't know why the aforementioned addage was used in your post.. were you comparing a larger engine to the 435i/ future 440's?

[Moisted]

Originally Posted by Vegetable

I don't quite understand how the expression " no replacement for dispacement" applies here.

It doesn't. In fact this scenario proves the statement wrong. ... But we all new it was wrong anyways.

[ZilberGrau ZHP]

Umm in other words so you can FULLY understand and making the assumption that more HP (displacement meaning a LARGER engine meaning that the car will go faster-no)? and that there is no substitute for a larger engine since more HP/Torque is "better"?

A poster posited the question- why not go with the M4? The M4 is 400+ HP (425 BHP I guess to be exact) while this is wonderful- I am a fan of the GC body style and while it wont have a 425 hp lump offered - the 440, when offered will be at 360-365 hp - a 20% gain over the stock N55 that's in our 435's. Soooo While most of us like MORE horsepower- I wouldn't get the (more expensive) M3/M4 - I will (as stated) be getting eventually, a 440 GC since the 20% boost in HP and Torque over my 435 is, while not the full 425 of an M3, Much better than the 435 that I have got- not that I am at all not happy with it- 300hp is fine- 365 hp is better. So there is no replacement for a (higher) displacement engine - in this case from 300 to 365.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Ze4eMCe

No replacement for displacement and Ill take 365 over 300 hp and the torque that comes with it anytime. Ill just let them test it and tweak it first.

The engine size isn't increasing so I'm not sure how that even applies here.

Originally Posted by Ze4eMCe

Umm in other words so you can FULLY understand and making the assumption that more HP (displacement meaning a LARGER engine meaning that the car will go faster-no)? and that there is no substitute for a larger engine since more HP/Torque is "better"?

A poster posited the question- why not go with the M4? The M4 is 400+ HP (425 BHP I guess to be exact) while this is wonderful- I am a fan of the GC body style and while it wont have a 425 hp lump offered - the 440, when offered will be at 360-365 hp - a 20% gain over the stock N55 that's in our 435's. Soooo While most of us like MORE horsepower- I wouldn't get the (more expensive) M3/M4 - I will (as stated) be getting eventually, a 440 GC since the 20% boost in HP and Torque over my 435 is, while not the full 425 of an M3, Much better than the 435 that I have got- not that I am at all not happy with it- 300hp is fine- 365 hp is better. So there is no replacement for a (higher) displacement engine - in this case from 300 to 365.

Oh I get it now, you have absolutely no idea what the term "engine displacement" means.

Engine displacement is how large the engine is...in ALL of your examples, the 435i, 440i, and the M4, they all have the EXACT same displacement...3.0L. That's why you're confusing so many people.

The phrase "no replacement for displacement" is dated anyway. This was back when no one would ever bother driving a 3.0L I6 when you could get a 6.0L V8 that made much more power. That really doesn't apply anymore...unless that 6.0L V8 had forced induction. With smaller displacement engines with turbochargers becoming more popular, they're making just as much power as larger displacement, naturally aspirated mills, while returning significantly better emissions and gas mileage.

[Moisted]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

The engine size isn't increasing so I'm not sure how that even applies here.



Oh I get it now, you have absolutely no idea what the term "engine displacement" means.

Engine displacement is how large the engine is...in ALL of your examples, the 435i, 440i, and the M4, they all have the EXACT same displacement...3.0L. That's why you're confusing so many people.

The phrase "no replacement for displacement" is dated anyway. This was back when no one would ever bother driving a 3.0L I6 when you could get a 6.0L V8 that made much more power. That really doesn't apply anymore...unless that 6.0L V8 had forced induction. With smaller displacement engines with turbochargers becoming more popular, they're making just as much power as larger displacement, naturally aspirated mills, while returning significantly better emissions and gas mileage.

+1. Well put.

[ZilberGrau ZHP]

Gentleman I get it the actual "displacement" isn't changing, I am just going by horsepower and illustrating that more power is better sorry for not being "engineering department" precise. More of an anology to "more power is better"

[Paigey]

Originally Posted by Ze4eMCe

I love the GC and the body style and look - would love the 365hp BUT I will drive my 435 for the next 3 years while they work the kinks out of the engine- I am not for buying anyone's engine first year- BMW is no exception- after a couple of years and millions of real world miles I would like a new one in 2018 ish model that I can completely customize at BMW Individual and drive my GC while I wait for my "perfect" one. No replacement for displacement and Ill take 365 over 300 hp and the torque that comes with it anytime. Ill just let them test it and tweak it first.

It isn't going to come with anywhere close to 365 HP.

[Moisted]

Originally Posted by Ze4eMCe

Gentleman I get it the actual "displacement" isn't changing, I am just going by horsepower and illustrating that more power is better sorry for not being "engineering department" precise. More of an anology to "more power is better"

... It's pathetic really to think, only in north America would we allow ourselves to freely substitute the word "displacement" for "power". Afterall, we've spent half a century building bigger cars with bigger engines to burn more gas for power. Whereas the rest of the world have been working on making engines smaller and more efficient. It's now considered "engineering" to talk about power without increasing displacement.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by Paigey

It isn't going to come with anywhere close to 365 HP.

Yup. So many hearts will be broken.

My guess is 320. Tops!

The b58 will usher in an era of efficiency. Not power. Sucks to be efficient when oil is only $50 a barrel. Bring back the V10!

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Bring back the V10!

If only...

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

If only...

Naturally aspirated, 6.0L, 420 HP, V10, M340i! Don't get me started!

[kasher_khan]

I am new to BMW so I was wondering if we know when the 340i will be available for ordering assuming it gets released to press in March (is that right?). I am undecided between the 335i M sport vs the new M3 (coming from an S4). I will not track the car (at all) and it seems from some other threads I have been reading that the M3 will be too much power for the streets (don't need more tickets).

So again based on past experience will the LCI\340i be available for ordering right around press release? Is it difficult to get an early order in (my current lease expires in August 2015 so I do need another car by then) do have a beater so can do maybe a month or two without....

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by kasher_khan

I am new to BMW so I was wondering if we know when the 340i will be available for ordering assuming it gets released to press in March (is that right?). I am undecided between the 335i M sport vs the new M3 (coming from an S4). I will not track the car (at all) and it seems from some other threads I have been reading that the M3 will be too much power for the streets (don't need more tickets).

So again based on past experience will the LCI\340i be available for ordering right around press release? Is it difficult to get an early order in (my current lease expires in August 2015 so I do need another car by then) do have a beater so can do maybe a month or two without....

You're in NoVA I see. Depending on what options you want, a 340i may cost just as much as an M3. I know my 335i M-Sport as equipped stickered at around the starting price of an F80 so you'd have to do the math to see which one makes more sense. As for when you can order one, it's usually around press release time but I have no idea when you'd actually get one. You'd be cutting it close with the August time frame.

But like you said, you have a beater you can drive around in the interim. Also not sure where you live in NoVA but metroing is easy too if you live/work near one.

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by MikeTerp

All true, but don't expect BMW to pull a Cadillac and try to claim every HP they can get out of the engine. I would not be surprised to see BMW rate the B48 at 255 HP and the B58 at 325HP, even if they are cranking out another 20 or more HP each.

I completely agree. They'll continue to underrate their engines, but I'd expect the advertised figure to still be marked up about 15HP too.

Originally Posted by kasher_khan

I am new to BMW so I was wondering if we know when the 340i will be available for ordering assuming it gets released to press in March (is that right?). I am undecided between the 335i M sport vs the new M3 (coming from an S4). I will not track the car (at all) and it seems from some other threads I have been reading that the M3 will be too much power for the streets (don't need more tickets).

So again based on past experience will the LCI\340i be available for ordering right around press release? Is it difficult to get an early order in (my current lease expires in August 2015 so I do need another car by then) do have a beater so can do maybe a month or two without....

The 340 start of production is July 2015. The first cars won't hit US shores until August/September, assuming you get an initial production slot. But prepared to be bent over on these deals though, as the 2016's will be very expensive while dealers try to clear the 2015's (especially 335's) off their lots. You will likely not get at or below MSRP, is my guess from examining past years.

If you want a first production slot, I'd go into a dealer sooner rather than later to see if you can claim a production slot. You can even say it's for a 2016 335 just to feel them out. I remember my dealer having M235 production slots before the M235 was unveiled. I'm assuming production slots will start being allocated to dealers by February.

[kasher_khan]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

The 340 start of production is July 2015. The first cars won't hit US shores until August/September, assuming you get an initial production slot. But prepared to be bent over on these deals though, as the 2016's will be very expensive while dealers try to clear the 2015's (especially 335's) off their lots. You will likely not get at or below MSRP, is my guess from examining past years.

If you want a first production slot, I'd go into a dealer sooner rather than later to see if you can claim a production slot. You can even say it's for a 2016 335 just to feel them out. I remember my dealer having M235 production slots before the M235 was unveiled. I'm assuming production slots will start being allocated to dealers by February.

Thanks for the input. I can see that happening. The 335\340i I'd want has a rough MSRP of 62K which puts it very close to ED invoice for the M3 I'd want. So the M3 would make more sense for roughly the same money. Although the 340i does sound like the perfect car for me... I was hoping to bring down my lease payments from ~$8XX to something closer to $5XX. Don't ask me why I pay over $800 for an Audi lease friend pays the same for his E92 M3 and we all know which is the better car.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by kasher_khan

Thanks for the input. I can see that happening. The 335\340i I'd want has a rough MSRP of 62K which puts it very close to ED invoice for the M3 I'd want. So the M3 would make more sense for roughly the same money. Although the 340i does sound like the perfect car for me... I was hoping to bring down my lease payments from ~$8XX to something closer to $5XX. Don't ask me why I pay over $800 for an Audi lease friend pays the same for his E92 M3 and we all know which is the better car.

If it makes you feel any better, you can lease an M3 in VA for around $800-$1,000 depending on terms, MSD's, money down, etc. Wouldn't be able to get down to $500 though unless you were willing to shell out a lot of cash. You can get a 335i that stickerd at $62k (as mine did) for around $650-$700.

BMW is much more favorable towards leases than Audi is.