[rolltidef32]

Originally Posted by bahasad

New Camaros, Corvettes, and even the Mustang have far better handling than you put them down for.

In fact, in some cases, they match or exceed their German counterparts substantially.

Uh huh.... Well I'll tell you what. Why not go ahead and sell that German car you drive and go fancy yourself a nice Dodge Charger or Chevy Camaro.

Run along now.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by 300hp

"Otoh the thread is discussing street legal OEM cars. It's like two parallel discussions, lol. One discussion belongs in the Corvette performance section of their board, one discussion belongs in the F30 General section. Note that the Vette discussion doesn't even belong in the Vette general section. It helps to state from the onset that hey I have this NA Vette with redials, modified tub, modified NA engine that does the qtr in 9.9s."

At least we know what we are dealing with, it's NOT an "NA Vette" far from it, that's where we asked to call a spade a spade

Guys, I get that this is a F30 forum and I am posting to see where my 335 stacks up in that 0-60 and mpg list, but we need to give credit where it is due.

I think what we are dealing with is F30 owners who immediately discredit the Z06 without fully understanding that it is. 3150lb is close to the stock weight with minimal fuel. 675whp is achievable NA without going too crazy with mods.

I like BMW a lot (which is why I got an F80 instead of a C6 Z06) but some of the comments on this thread are just flat out false. C6 Z06 really is in a different performance caliber than my 335, and I wouldn't bet against a C6 Z06 if I encountered one at a road course

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by rolltidef32

Uh huh.... Well I'll tell you what. Why not go ahead and sell that German car you drive and go fancy yourself a nice Dodge Charger or Chevy Camaro.

Run along now.

Holistically, BMWs are better cars (not by as much as they charge), but from a performance perspective, American cars are not too far off. I have driven plenty for my job.

I still love BMWs, don't think I'll ever not have one, but new American performance cars are not like the poorly made, cheap interior, boats of old. We have come a long way.

[300hp]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Guys, I get that this is a F30 forum and I am posting to see where my 335 stacks up in that 0-60 and mpg list, but we need to give credit where it is due.

I think what we are dealing with is F30 owners who immediately discredit the Z06 without fully understanding that it is. 3150lb is close to the stock weight with minimal fuel. 675whp is achievable NA without going too crazy with mods.

I like BMW a lot (which is why I got an F80 instead of a C6 Z06) but some of the comments on this thread are just flat out false. C6 Z06 really is in a different performance caliber than my 335, and I wouldn't bet against a C6 Z06 if I encountered one at a road course

There is no one trying to race an old Vette here.

The new Vette makes 650 hp, about 90% of that at the wheels, even that new Vette wouldn't bet against this modded NA Vette. That's why we simply asked for more details of this NA Vette so we could figure out what it is. Modded cars can make as much as 60,000 hp so if the intention is to insert your modded vehicle into a discussion throw the specs in there so we know what it is.

It's tough to discuss OEM setups vs aggressive modded setups and the results can't be meaningful. Which is why we are here

[bahasad]

Originally Posted by 300hp

There is no one trying to race an old Vette here.

The new Vette makes 650 hp, about 90% of that at the wheels, even that new Vette wouldn't bet against this modded NA Vette. That's why we simply asked for more details of this NA Vette so we could figure out what it is. Modded cars can make as much as 60,000 hp so if the intention is to insert your modded vehicle into a discussion throw the specs in there so we know what it is.

It's tough to discuss OEM setups vs aggressive modded setups and the results can't be meaningful. Which is why we are here

Stock for stock, a C6 vette (especially a Z) is on a different caliber than our family sedans (and coupes).

[300hp]

Originally Posted by bahasad

Stock for stock, a C6 vette (especially a Z) is on a different caliber than our family sedans (and coupes).

The new Vette with 650hp/650tq is around 11 through the qtr, the old Vettes aren't hitting 9s out the box.

Whether the new or old Vette beats the F30 is irrelevant. That discussion is somewhat closer to being reasonable if you are comparing an old Vette to an old M3. Even then I still think the two aren't comparable given one is lower and weighs less than the other

[FC4]

Originally Posted by 34.50

I'd love to see your Corvette. I don't care if the claims you make are real or not - who cares, it's the internet. I just want to see it because Corvettes are one of my favorite cars! I'm entertaining the idea of getting a C7 Z06.

The supposed miracle car...not the one I actually built to race: