[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by d4springer

A/M90 going north onto Forth Road Bridge at rush hour, 3 lanes into 2 just before the bridge, mostly people are queuing half a mile before the bridge so it's great to just sit there and watch the road rage happen as people blast down the outside lane and cut into the queue when lane 3 ends, should be merge in turn but generally everyone is getting pissed off and start doing that thing where you pull over slightly (straddling the white line) to stop people getting past in the outside lane, this causes all kinds of responses! I stay out the way of course, don't fancy trying it on with a van!

Sorry but it's merge in turn at the end so that's what I do. I'm only up there every so often, but am I right in thinking though that once you've merged from lane 3 to 2 that you then want to get over to the left lane asap as it moves quicker?

[Buster Blue]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

I don't think they could, as it's more a manners or etiquette thing really. Not sure wishing to change lanes breaches any traffic laws. However I see some horrendously dangerous maneuvers on the A414 London Colney roundabout most weeks, and only 2 weeks ago there was a mini that looks like it had been caught and spun round by a lorry whilst trying to change lanes! So perhaps careless driving?

Colney roundabout has always been dangerous since they modified it and made 3 lanes into 4/5 particularly coming from Hemel or St Albans.

[Pablo68]

Straight to the front. Pow! Queueing is for suckers, proles and betas.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Buster Blue

Colney roundabout has always been dangerous since they modified it and made 3 lanes into 4/5 particularly coming from Hemel or St Albans.

It's a hilariously badly designed roundabout, and unless you're local or use it regularly I suspect 50% of folk will be utterly bamboozled as to what lane should lead to where.

[335dJa]

Originally Posted by Brigand

One thing I admit to doing and have done for years is...

You want to turn left or even straight ahead at the next roundabout.

Left hand lane lots of slowly moving queuing traffic, right hand land (right hand turn only) is clear.

Well I drive down right hand lane and go right around roundabout, this in left lane waiting to turn now have to give me priority.

I've also done that for years, known as a "long left" in our family

[zofinger]

Originally Posted by Brigand

One thing I admit to doing and have done for years is...

You want to turn left or even straight ahead at the next roundabout.

Left hand lane lots of slowly moving queuing traffic, right hand land (right hand turn only) is clear.

Well I drive down right hand lane and go right around roundabout, this in left lane waiting to turn now have to give me priority.

Nothing to be ashamed of. I do it all the time. Perfectly respectful and of course legal.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by zofinger

Nothing to be ashamed of. I do it all the time. Perfectly respectful and of course legal.

It's definitely legal, but it's really no different to going along and then just sneaking in to the lane before you reach the roundabout. So it's still queue jumping!

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Originally Posted by Tengocity

It's definitely legal, but it's really no different to going along and then just sneaking in to the lane before you reach the roundabout. So it's still queue jumping!

It's the thoughtful persons queue jumping, not upsetting anyone, using some intelligence and the giving way to right rule.

I do it most days going to work.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Brigand

It's the thoughtful persons queue jumping, not upsetting anyone, using some intelligence and the giving way to right rule.

I do it most days going to work.

I'm sure it upsets plenty folk! I just skip in before the roundabout.. saves going all the way round!

My wife joins the queue from the M4 to join the M25 in rush hour at the back of the queue every day she goes in to the office... but no matter how much she sees that other folk jump in ahead, or how much it wastes her time, she absolutely will not do it herself. I have equal parts admiration and sympathy for her!

[Buster Blue]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

It's a hilariously badly designed roundabout, and unless you're local or use it regularly I suspect 50% of folk will be utterly bamboozled as to what lane should lead to where.

Very true, normally close my eyes and pray I do not get side swiped.

[Nick the Greek]

During the war, we had to queue for everything......

[d4springer]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Sorry but it's merge in turn at the end so that's what I do. I'm only up there every so often, but am I right in thinking though that once you've merged from lane 3 to 2 that you then want to get over to the left lane asap as it moves quicker?

No not necessarily, just after the merge section there is a slip road joining just in front of the bridge so the traffic in the lane 1 gets held up. I just sit in lane 2 seems to be the quickest, however stick to 50 mph once you get on the bridge, there is a parking area just off the other end and the old bill sometimes sit there with a speed gun catching people who are obviously frustrated at being held up and floor it off the bridge, saw them pull a merc driver right in front of me the other day.

[vikz55]

I must say for BMW drivers you all seem to be a polite lot!!

I gain great pleasure from making progress past queuing vehicles!! I'm always zipping in an out of lanes, and will happily jump into gaps. I would like to think I never do it dangerously and always hit a gap rather than pushing my way in.
Occasionally done the 'going all the way round the roundabout' trick.

To me getting to where I'm going is my priority, if I can do that quicker then I will do so as long as it is safe to do so. I do drive fast and probably piss plenty of people off but only because I offend their senses rather than affect their journey.
I would rather take a longer detour and keep moving than take the quicker route that involves me stopping and starting!

Maybe I'm the stereotypical aggressive BMW driver! (Being faster than nearly everything else on the road also helps!)

[Steven1077]

I tend to just push anyone trying to jump the queue into the wall or railings given the chance

[gadget32]

Originally Posted by vikz55

I must say for BMW drivers you all seem to be a polite lot!!

I gain great pleasure from making progress past queuing vehicles!! I'm always zipping in an out of lanes, and will happily jump into gaps. I would like to think I never do it dangerously and always hit a gap rather than pushing my way in.
Occasionally done the 'going all the way round the roundabout' trick.

To me getting to where I'm going is my priority, if I can do that quicker then I will do so as long as it is safe to do so. I do drive fast and probably piss plenty of people off but only because I offend their senses rather than affect their journey.
I would rather take a longer detour and keep moving than take the quicker route that involves me stopping and starting!

Maybe I'm the stereotypical aggressive BMW driver! (Being faster than nearly everything else on the road also helps!)

+1 I'm of the belief that if your actions dont cause anyone to brake or swerve in any way then that gap is fair game!

[teaston]

This behaviour pisses me off!

But what also pisses me of is when both lanes are marked for going straight on, and there's a queue in the left lane and barely anyone in the right lane, so I go in the right lane then as the lanes merge the other side of the junction the guy slightly behind me in the left lane accelerates up beside me and forces me onto the other side of the road!

WTF is that about!!?? :

[B58_Touring]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

However, another case where using lanes is appropriate (to me), is road works where one lane is closing in like 400m....many move into the open lane long before the lanes merge causing a massive tail back through junctions behind them. In this case, I believe people should stay in lane until the bottleneck and proceed on a one for one basis. Much slicker (and fairer), as both lanes would run at the same speed.

This is one of my pet hates, the lane doesnt close for another 400m yet people get annoyed with others using the available road space and merging in where required because they've chosen to get in lane too early. You normally get a stubborn driver (normally a lorry) pull into the lane about to close to stop people passing. What they dont realise is there's a roundabout in gridlock behind them because of the single lane tailback they've created

[SkyJawa]

I hate how people never indicate to pull out or in on motorways or dual carriageways and if they do at all its after they've moved, and 90% of people no longer wait for a gap they just force their way in where there is no room. Makes everyone drive up each others bumpers to stop it, surprised there aren't loads more accidents tbh.

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Originally Posted by SkyJawa

I hate how people never indicate to pull out or in on motorways or dual carriageways and if they do at all its after they've moved, and 90% of people no longer wait for a gap they just force their way in where there is no room. Makes everyone drive up each others bumpers to stop it, surprised there aren't loads more accidents tbh.

Same.

I also hate when I leave a gap due to bad weather or speed or push in to gap left for seperation arrows.

I leave a gap for a reason and detest twats pulling in to it, it's how accidents happen.

Note, not talking huge gap, just sensible one depending on road conditions etc.

[djcowlin]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

However, another case where using lanes is appropriate (to me), is road works where one lane is closing in like 400m....many move into the open lane long before the lanes merge causing a massive tail back through junctions behind them. In this case, I believe people should stay in lane until the bottleneck and proceed on a one for one basis. Much slicker (and fairer), as both lanes would run at the same speed.

The Germans have a word for this: Reißverschlussverfahren. I believe it's obligatory - in some places you'll find a solid white line as you approach the roadworks to prevent people from pulling in too early!

[robwils]

Originally Posted by Brigand

One thing I admit to doing and have done for years is...

You want to turn left or even straight ahead at the next roundabout.

Left hand lane lots of slowly moving queuing traffic, right hand land (right hand turn only) is clear.

Well I drive down right hand lane and go right around roundabout, this in left lane waiting to turn now have to give me priority.

I hate this ! getting onto our estate its these poeple contributing to the slowdown ! Your just relying on most people not doing that too or we would have total gridlock ! Maybe you'll push in front of the wrong person one day !
Its starting to annoy a lot of people as said in other replies - you now get some people sitting in the right hand lane - going very slowly ! - again perfectly legal ??

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Originally Posted by robwils

I hate this ! getting onto our estate its these poeple contributing to the slowdown ! Your just relying on most people not doing that too or we would have total gridlock ! Maybe you'll push in front of the wrong person one day !
Its starting to annoy a lot of people as said in other replies - you now get some people sitting in the right hand lane - going very slowly ! - again perfectly legal ??

I assume you always queue and don't queue jump then?

As an example I do this going to work in mornings.

My work is on outskirts of Wolverhampton, to get there I turn left off a dual carraigeway, it invariably queues back a mile or so, mainly the left hand lane due to junction splitting a mile or so after my work.
Choices are to sit and queue adding to the traffic,
Jump in front of someone front right lane to left.
Or turn right at roundabout and then take my usual left turn.

Yes agreed it's not 100% polite, however it's more so than diving in front and damn site safer for everyone else as its using give way rules.