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No experience with the Michelin but my old car had the DWS and it was great. Threadwear was really good and it'll last you a few years if you don't go crazy with it. No real snow to speak of in Vancouver these past few years but they handled trips up the ski hills no problem.
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Edit: I'm dumb.. just realized this thread was speaking of the AS/3+.. I didn't even know this tire existed and assumed OP just meant AS/3
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The MICHELIN is by far the most superior product on the market today. Period.
Nothing, i mean NOTHING comes close. Trust me when I tell you.
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http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/tir...-s-3-plus.html Directly from the Michelin website: Quote:
Specs for PSS: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....XLV2&tab=Specs Specs for A/S3+: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....S3PL&tab=Specs They are both listed at 10/32". There are tire configurations listed with ".5" increments but if it the A/S3+ were 10.5 it would have been listed as such. Anyways, the point still remains. PSS > A/S3+ in the wet unless less than 60F. |
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I have the previous gen and have put about 40,000km on them and still have 75% tread left. |
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03-20-2016, 03:24 PM | #29 |
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I don't think he's kidding himself. I vote whole heartedly for the Michelins. They are an amazing AS tire. I had a set on my previous E90 and they felt nearly as good as the summer run flats they replaced. Also because they're lighter and quieter they made the ride more comfortable. All around an amazing tire well worth the cost. I won't even consider anything else. They are that good.
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If A/S3+ are so good, Michelin might as well go discontinue the Pilot Super Sport and tell everyone (ie. BMW M, Porsche, Corvette, etc.) they were all fools for going with a summer tire. |
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03-20-2016, 08:17 PM | #31 |
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Pirelli is good, but it sounds to me like you say its better than Michelins... Get out more? Sure, lets go Ill take you for a ride.
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03-21-2016, 07:39 AM | #32 |
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No tire is better than another in every category. Tires are just a set of weighted compromises. Comparing tires in this range is about grip (straight-line and cornering - dry, wet, snow, ice), comfort, noise, treadwear and cost. It is very useful to have a discussion to compare leading contenders on various categories.
Depending on each persons importance of each category, you might select one over the other. For me, I will not be driving this car to the limits of dry grip, nor will I drive with these tires in the snow or ice, so it is more about ride, wet traction, noise and value(miles per $). In that order. According to Tire Rack test data (not consumer surveys), which I put a good deal of trust in and have been pleased with over many years, the Conti bests the Michelins in the 3 categories above except wet traction. If overall grip was my number 1 priority, I would select the Michelins, but then I would probably go with Super Sports anyway and dump the extra comfort and treadwear life of the A/S. I strongly suggest anyone trying to select tires to prioritize their wants and research a tire with test results, personal experience and/or trusted feedback to select the best option.
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Original Poster - BM57, what is the priority of these features for you?
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03-21-2016, 09:10 AM | #34 |
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Very very happy with my Pilot AS3s. First time I spent a decent chunk of money on tires, and compared to any other car (including my Mustangs Pirelli Pzeros), they feel the best to me. Amazing grip dry or wet (haven't tested in snow but not expecting anything spectacular), reasonable noise. They have been known to wear relatively quickly, but michelin pro-rates the tires if they are bare before the warranty is up.
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I have 245/40/19s all around. Perfect fitment. The size will depend on your wheels/suspension.
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Like you, I won't be driving my car to the limits and I won't be driving in the snow. So I think this is the order that suits my interests: 1. Ride Comfort 2. Grip (straight-line and cornering - dry, wet, snow, ice) in that order 3. Noise 4. Treadwear 5. Cost One other point worthy of mentioning is that I prefer a tire that still performs reasonably well as it wears. I found that some tires perform horribly as they age, especially in the wet. My experience has been very positive with Michelin, but to be fair I haven't tried all the tires available to know how well some of the other top contenders compare.
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As for performance as they age, it mostly effects wet, snow and ice. Different tire, but I just went through a pair of Conti DW and the wet was pretty good until they were bald on the inner half, so I'd say they aged pretty well, plus with the longer treadwear life, you will get more miles before the performance starts to become compromised. I was very happy with my replacement set. On the other hand, looking at the tread design, the Michelins, with the mostly straight grooves, are probably better for wet performance life, where the extra quantity of deep cross sipes on the Conti will probably fare better on snow/ice grip in both the short and long term. Seriously, both tires are fantastic, so you really can't go wrong, but I like the overall value of the Continentals better. I'll be buying them when my car arrives. As an aside, historically, I never considered Continental much. Lots of Bridgestones for me, but recently I have found a couple of their tires to be very good. Have and had several Michelins too, but the comfort and the cost vs performance has not been enough for me to be exclusive. If everyone put this much care into their tires, we would have fewer accidents. Happy driving.
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I've had the AS3s for over 20k and they are amazing, I've never had more trust and confidence when I take a sharp turn or a ramp on the highway. Wet grip is ridiculously good, I remember hitting puddles on the stock contis runflats before I got the AS3s and always holding on for dear life as the car would easily hydroplane. Now even with my tires half way wore down in never even moves.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one ditching runflats. First time I've had them on a car and they're horrific.
My F31 came standard with a set of Goodyear EfficientGrip ROF and what a pile of chunder. Limited if any grip in the wet, unpredictable in the dry, noisy and very hard. I'm getting Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2's fitted all around. Sadly a non-runflat Asymmetric 3 option isn't available yet so I'll get those fitted next year. I also considered the Michelin Pilot Sport 4's but again, it was hard to get the right size for my wheels (225/45/R18 - 255/40/R18). |
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I run the AS3's in the winter months here in Ohio and they are a fantastic tire. When it comes time to swap on my summer rubber I can hardly tell the difference. I would not have any problems at all running AS3's all year around. This is on a 335i MSport RWD.
I had the DWS in the past (~4 years ago) and they were horrible handling tire, great in snow but terrible on dry pavement. I have heard the new DWS are much better but can't comment on that. |
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