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      11-17-2017, 06:02 PM   #45
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Compared to my old Alfa 159 it's silent but you can't get away from the fact there's a diesel clatter there. Worse on start up in the winter than compared to a long run in the summer but it's there all the same.
Mine really does seem quiet. Any noise it makes, I like the sound of; its not what I would call a clatter.
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Ha - the older weaselly diesels that are getting it in the neck

Tax on diesel drivers From April 2018 the first year VED rate for diesel cars that don’t meet the latest standards, will go up by one band. The tax hike will only apply to cars, so no white van man (or woman) will be hit by these measures. The levy will fund a new £220 million Clean Air Fund to support local air quality plans. For a more detailed analysis see our story Autumn Budget 2017: diesel car tax rise and electric car investment.

Read more: https://www.which.co.uk/news/2017/11...-need-to-know/ - Which?
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Ha - the older weaselly diesels that are getting it in the neck

Tax on diesel drivers From April 2018 the first year VED rate for diesel cars that don’t meet the latest standards, will go up by one band. The tax hike will only apply to cars, so no white van man (or woman) will be hit by these measures.
So that will be EU6 cars then, as all new diesel/petrol cars have to be EU6 already.
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Only apply to cars!!!!!!!

Great cos the vans and lorries are barely polluting at all.......

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Indeed.

And reading through the budget small print, I notice a new M2 tax. Only applicable to those with a name beginning 'C' and charged at £1.76 per mile.

I can't think of anyone that would apply to
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Will Euro 6 Cars be exempt? Does this affect new cars only purchased after April 2018?
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Will Euro 6 Cars be exempt? Does this affect new cars only purchased after April 2018?
Yes and yes
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Yes and yes
My reading, no new diesel cars are exempt. All new diesel cars already have to comply with EU6.

The references to 'exempt' cars, are to those that comply to EU6 RDE Step 2. Seems RDE Step 1 doesn't even qualify as exempt.

The clarification can only come if Step 2 "is, or is not" the test regime that matters. It isn't even here yet.... RDE Step 1 is only now being implemented, not yet required for new registrations.
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My reading, no new diesel cars are exempt. All new diesel cars already have to comply with EU6.

The references to 'exempt' cars, are to those that comply to EU6 RDE Step 2. Seems RDE Step 1 doesn't even qualify as exempt.

The clarification can only come if Step 2 "is, or is not" the test regime that matters. It isn't even here yet.... RDE Step 1 is only now being implemented, not yet required for new registrations.
if I understand you correctly, all "NEW" diesel cars that don't comply to RDE Step 2 standards (which no diesel car does at the moment) will be subject to higher band tax ?
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From GOV.UK

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...sel-supplement

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General description of the measure

This measure will apply a supplement to new diesel vehicles from 1 April 2018 to the effect that these cars will go up by one Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) band in their First-Year Rate. This will apply to any diesel car that is not certified to the Real Driving Emissions 2 (RDE2) standard.
There it is, RDE2 (Step 2).

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RDE step 2 – applies to new type approvals from 1 January 2020 and to all new registrations from 1 January 2021.
Looks like all new diesels will carry the higher VED rate, at least to begin with.
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if I understand you correctly, all "NEW" diesel cars that don't comply to RDE Step 2 standards (which no diesel car does at the moment) will be subject to higher band tax ?
Yes, that's how it reads, see my next post quoting GOV.UK
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Looks like all new diesels will carry the higher VED rate, at least to begin with.
In practice that makes the first year VED on a 335d the same as a 340i (145 v 159 g/km), so this seems to be just removing the diesel incentive from VED, rather than penalising diesel.

Similarly the 530xd will now have the same VED as the 540xi.
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I understand that there once was a (much misaligned) prophet that used to frequent this forum.

I also understand that said prophet did warn of the forthcoming doom and damnation that will fall on those that fill up from the black pump of beelzebub.

Rather like David Icke with his New Age conspiracism, people struggled to take his preaching seriously.

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke Well worth a read for those too young to remember - a BBC sports journalist who decided that shapeshifting reptilian humanoids were in charge.]
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My reading, no new diesel cars are exempt. All new diesel cars already have to comply with EU6.

The references to 'exempt' cars, are to those that comply to EU6 RDE Step 2. Seems RDE Step 1 doesn't even qualify as exempt.

The clarification can only come if Step 2 "is, or is not" the test regime that matters. It isn't even here yet.... RDE Step 1 is only now being implemented, not yet required for new registrations.
If this is the case then, won’t it just tempt people to keep hold of their older polluting diesels and not necessarily change because they need the efficiency of a diesel car with regards to the mileage achieved?

Seems counter productive to me
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Diesels might put out more toxins we can see but don't petrols put out more that you can't?
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Kinda sucks they are penalising the Euro 6 cars which are suppose to be cleaner than previous models. Why did I buy a diesel ? I do frequent trip to Europe to see family so the economy side of it was the reason why. On long runs I can average 50-54mpg. There is no Petrol car that can match it with the same power or torque.

I think this is just another way to fleece us for more money. This government really is inept worse than Cameron and his team. Corbyn isn’t any better. The future of this country doesn’t look any brighter until we have strong leadership and good policies.
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Diesels might put out more toxins we can see but don't petrols put out more that you can't?
Petrol has its issues for sure. Direct injection (GDI) is responsible for critical particulate matter. Just look at the black carbon rich exhausts of current GDI petrol engines. EU6 RDE requires better exhaust after treatment, including Gasoline Particulate Filters (GPF).

Note... the GPF is coming to petrol BMW models near us. Already listed for some models, to comply with EU6 RDE Step 1.
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with all this diesel mess, i am doubting to sell my 2014 320D EU5 and keeping it till i run it to the ground. I wont nee to drive it intro London.

Haven't done math but logic tells me i will loose more money by switching from diesel to petrol;

Sell 320D with 4 years warranty remaining at big value loss then buy petrol version at higher costs than usual due to demand increase
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with all this diesel mess, i am doubting to sell my 2014 320D EU5 and keeping it till i run it to the ground. I wont nee to drive it intro London.

Haven't done math but logic tells me i will loose more money by switching from diesel to petrol;

Sell 320D with 4 years warranty remaining at big value loss then buy petrol version at higher costs than usual due to demand increase
A few other councils where there's high pollution levels may start charging in some way for anything older than euro 6 diesel cars at some point, but that's probably at least 3 or 4 years away and unlikely to be too wide spread.

I agree with your logic
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with all this diesel mess, i am doubting to sell my 2014 320D EU5 and keeping it till i run it to the ground. I wont nee to drive it intro London.

Haven't done math but logic tells me i will loose more money by switching from diesel to petrol;

Sell 320D with 4 years warranty remaining at big value loss then buy petrol version at higher costs than usual due to demand increase
I think there is a lot of sense in keeping hold of it. Diesel values have been hit by a media-inspired bandwagon about imminent bans, taxation etc. all of which has proven to be wrong. The next few years are likely to have very low depreciation. If I didn't already have one, I would buy one now.

Back in 2008 SUVs and large petrol engines were being targeted by a similar media bandwagon. I was reaching the 4 year point where I would normally my sell my cars (a high spec 2004 4.4 X5 with a new list of about £60k). The best offer from a dealer was £12k. I might have got £1 - 1.5k more privately, but this still felt insanely cheap for a car like that. So I kept it for another 3 years and 30k miles, and sold it for £11k in 2011 by which time the media had found something new to be scared of.

There are some similarities with the current diesel situation. I could probably sell my £49k list 3.5 year old car for £17-18k today, or wait another 3.5 years and sell it for £11k. A no-brainer really, particularly as it's such a great car.
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Petrol has its issues for sure. Direct injection (GDI) is responsible for critical particulate matter. Just look at the black carbon rich exhausts of current GDI petrol engines. EU6 RDE requires better exhaust after treatment, including Gasoline Particulate Filters (GPF).

Note... the GPF is coming to petrol BMW models near us. Already listed for some models, to comply with EU6 RDE Step 1.
Just as I thought, now they're ducking complaining there's not enough diesels being sold so CO2's going up

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...cid=spartanntp

Absolutely hopeless!
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