[ZeroFx]

i found a fleet website that calculates residual value from 3 year 90k and 2 year 80k mileage.

Looks like can have a guide as to what will rape me in the depreciation stakes

[Nick the Greek]

Cost comparison... saving six shillings and sixpence....residuals....... discounts.........saved three groats on my trip to Butlins..............

[ZeroFx]

Turns out that the M235i is the best buy of the lot.

90k miles and it has the same residuals as the 430d and 435i/d but costs only 37k list.

Costs about the same to run as the 430d

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Originally Posted by Nick the Greek

Cost comparison... saving six shillings and sixpence....residuals....... discounts.........saved three groats on my trip to Butlins..............

+1

As long as not paying a ransom per month on fuel, not really worried about residuals or differences.

If I was that worried I would get a Eco car like a 320d Efficiency Dynamics or blue motion VW etc

Why get a 6 pot and worry about or even bother about fuel, if that's the main thing then 318, 320d

[pmgreenwood]

I find it interesting that despite all the issues with EU6 compliant diesels and how long their catalysts will last (an issue ignored in the simplistic calcualtions in this thread) for the new Passat VW will not be importing any non hybrid petrol cars to the UK. Just shows how much the uk market has switched to diesels.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by Brigand

As long as not paying a ransom per month on fuel, not really worried about residuals or differences.

Why get a 6 pot and worry about or even bother about fuel, if that's the main thing then 318, 320d

We can get overrun with statistics, manipulate then to suit our own stance, if we so desire.

One thing that stands out to me when I run comparisons, on sites like on Parkers or Whatcar, how close models come for projected real world cost.

Take the 3-series M-sport saloon model, standard auto specification.

3-years, 10,000 miles per annum. Projected costs per mile, 'all in' excluding insurance:

320d: 96.65p per mile. (Depreciation per mile: 68.50p)
330d: £1.06 per mile. (Depreciation per mile: 75.42p)
328i: 97.85p per mile. (Depreciation per mile: 66.78p)

Looking at the 5-series touring, pence per mile for the 535d vs. 535i is just 2ppm different, £1.22 vs. £1.24 respectively. Even the 530d is £1.13ppm, so there is not some huge difference between models in a range, and that is based on official fuel consumption figures. Even on official averages the 535i is only 10% more to run per mile than the 530d.

Now we know that fuel consumption is not truly reflective, as mpg shortfall is worse for diesel (as an average), compared to petrol mpg shortfall, so that also adds a bit of leeway in favour of petrol engine costs for the average driver.

HighlandPete

[Pablo68]

Originally Posted by dopper99

Anyway, we are arguing over "pennies" here, relatively speaking.
What about the M3/M4? Is that REALLY worth nearly £20K more than an 335i or an 335d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??

Hell no.

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Originally Posted by HighlandPete

We can get overrun with statistics, manipulate then to suit our own stance, if we so desire.

One thing that stands out to me when I run comparisons, on sites like on Parkers or Whatcar, how close models come for projected real world cost.

Take the 3-series M-sport saloon model, standard auto specification.

3-years, 10,000 miles per annum. Projected costs per mile, 'all in' excluding insurance:

320d: 96.65p per mile. (Depreciation per mile: 68.50p)
330d: £1.06 per mile. (Depreciation per mile: 75.42p)
328i: 97.85p per mile. (Depreciation per mile: 66.78p)

Looking at the 5-series touring, pence per mile for the 535d vs. 535i is just 2ppm different, £1.22 vs. £1.24 respectively. Even the 530d is £1.13ppm, so there is not some huge difference between models in a range, and that is based on official fuel consumption figures. Even on official averages the 535i is only 10% more to run per mile than the 530d.

Now we know that fuel consumption is not truly reflective, as mpg shortfall is worse for diesel (as an average), compared to petrol mpg shortfall, so that also adds a bit of leeway in favour of petrol engine costs for the average driver.

HighlandPete

Agreed, however try comparing with a 320d efficiency dynamics, that comes out at 83p a mile or 10k total cost cheaper over 4 years and half the running costs of a 335i.

Again it's a unfair comparrison, I know unless I was doing 40k a year would not get one lol.

Petrol and diesel are equally viable on paper, it's all down to headology on what each person wants.

On a purely stats and usage thing Zeofx should be in at least a 320d eff dynamics.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Pablo68

Hell no.

Shows how different we are.....I don't think the xDrive hobbled 335d or the 335i is worth the extra running costs over a 330d sDrive.

But I do think the M3/4 is worth the extra, it is another level, possible two higher than any F30.

[Consett Mag]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Why get a 6 pot and worry about or even bother about fuel, if that's the main thing then 318, 320d

I went for a 330d because I was persuaded to opt for the luxury of high performance car that comes without high fuel costs. That package meant I rejected a 320, which was my original choice. It ticked more boxes.

We all want the best packages possible, and some of us just can't ignore the running costs of car.

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Originally Posted by Consett Mag

I went for a 330d because I was persuaded to opt for the luxury of high performance car that comes without high fuel costs. That package meant I rejected a 320, which was my original choice. It ticked more boxes.

We all want the best packages possible, and some of us just can't ignore the running costs of car.

You went for the best option

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Consett Mag

I went for a 330d because I was persuaded to opt for the luxury of high performance car that comes without high fuel costs. That package meant I rejected a 320, which was my original choice. It ticked more boxes.

We all want the best packages possible, and some of us just can't ignore the running costs of car.

My average has just passed 47.0MPG....AVERAGE!!! And that is from a fuel log app not the computer. Well chuffed.

For those interested, my worst tankful was 38.4MPG. Not used ECOPro ever.

Loving the 'heavy right foot' excuse....it is just that, an excuse. My Santa Pod tank was still 40.4MPG

[ZeroFx]

Originally Posted by Brigand

Agreed, however try comparing with a 320d efficiency dynamics, that comes out at 83p a mile or 10k total cost cheaper over 4 years and half the running costs of a 335i.

Again it's a unfair comparrison, I know unless I was doing 40k a year would not get one lol.

Petrol and diesel are equally viable on paper, it's all down to headology on what each person wants.

On a purely stats and usage thing Zeofx should be in at least a 320d eff dynamics.

i dont want the cheapest to run but i dont want the most expensive either.

[Consett Mag]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

My average has just passed 47.0MPG....AVERAGE!!! And that is from a fuel log app not the computer. Well chuffed.

That's close to what my Mini Cooper SD gets! (low 50's).

But owning a car is not all about one stat, one feature, but many. My Mini suited as a work transport - 36 miles round trip. Now I want a car that can get a German Shepherd in and all of us can go on holiday in, as well as being a comfortable and classy ride to work. It looks brilliant and should be reliable for years.

Might get an M3 later on. Depends how I feel.

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Originally Posted by Consett Mag

That's close to what my Mini Cooper SD gets! (low 50's).

But owning a car is not all about one stat, one feature, but many. My Mini suited as a work transport - 36 miles round trip. Now I want a car that can get a German Shepherd in and alot all of us can go on holiday in, as well as being a comfortable and classy ride to work. It looks brilliant and should be reliable for years.

Might get an M3 later on. Depends how I feel.

That's been my dilemma, getting a decent estate / tourer that can put our Dalmatian in, a large hatch like a Mondeo works, however prefer tourer.

Finding a decent 6 pot tourer is fun.

Previous was a 320d tourer, so move to 330 was easy.

The xdrive is great for forest roads, occasional off road bit (grassed fields etc).

If we did not need the dog space, then I would struggle aa to what to get lol fiesta ST to F type

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Consett Mag

That's close to what my Mini Cooper SD gets! (low 50's).

But owning a car is not all about one stat, one feature, but many. My Mini suited as a work transport - 36 miles round trip. Now I want a car that can get a German Shepherd in and alot all of us can go on holiday in, as well as being a comfortable and classy ride to work. It looks brilliant and should be reliable for years.

Might get an M3 later on. Depends how I feel.

You are right, it is not about one metric....I didn't buy the 330d expecting 47MPG, just pleased it does achieve that and under heavy use too.

[Steven1077]

If I get more than 20mpg I'm happy, other than that I don't care, but I do like a heater in the winter so I'm very happy with petrol, the 335d was could for about 6 miles and I only drive 10, the 435i is warm by the end of my road, still don't know if they ever fixed the auxiliary heater, or just fobbed me off as I'd sold it back to them

[Pablo68]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Shows how different we are.....I don't think the xDrive hobbled 335d or the 335i is worth the extra running costs over a 330d sDrive.

But I do think the M3/4 is worth the extra, it is another level, possible two higher than any F30.

Indeed...but for £60K+ there are plenty of other cars I'd take before an M3/M4

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Steven1077

If I get more than 20mpg I'm happy, other than that I don't care, but I do like a heater in the winter so I'm very happy with petrol, the 335d was could for about 6 miles and I only drive 10, the 435i is warm by the end of my road, still don't know if they ever fixed the auxiliary heater, or just fobbed me off as I'd sold it back to them

I bought mine in May, so have only just had the chance to test this. Mine is blowing warmish air within about a minute, and hot air in 2-3 mins, so the auxilliary heater seems to be working.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Pablo68

Indeed...but for £60K+ there are plenty of other cars I'd take before an M3/M4

The M3/M4 would be very low down my list as well, even when they get discounted to high 40s within a year or so. It is a quick car, but badly let down by the noise, low rent interior, and non progressive power delivery. I would take an M5 any day, or quite a few others.

I imagine the last of the V8 M3s will become quite sought after.

[dopper99]

Originally Posted by JD6

I bought mine in May, so have only just had the chance to test this. Mine is blowing warmish air within about a minute, and hot air in 2-3 mins, so the auxilliary heater seems to be working.

Same here, even in the winter it gets warm quite quick IMO.

[HighlandPete]

Originally Posted by dopper99

Same here, even in the winter it gets warm quite quick IMO.

That is one thing I miss in my petrol, I'm back to slower cabin heating. Diesel's with the PTC electric auxiliary heater get the cabin warmer much quicker in wintertime. Then they ought to, the PTC element is a high demand energy consumer.

HighlandPete