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      08-11-2011, 01:58 AM   #23
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Not if the recently retired BMWNA CEO Jim O'Donnell's words remain true. He recently stated (regarding the 3-series wagon in North America) that "We are not giving up the 3-series wagon because if you give it up, they will go straight to the competition."

BMWNA, these are wise words. Bring this touring in. I don't want an SUV, but I do want a successor to my e34, e46, e39 and e61 tourings.
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      08-11-2011, 06:11 AM   #24
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I would rather have an X3d
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      08-11-2011, 07:43 AM   #25
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I'd be happy with either the diesel or N20 - I just hope they offer it in RWD unlike the last 5-series wagon which was awd only. I have no need for the extra mass/cost/complexity of AWD.
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      08-11-2011, 08:20 AM   #26
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Gimme.... gimmegimmegimme!!!

Diesel form pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

I absolutely love wagons. I am single w/ no kids, but I do have a 120lb. Rottie mix... Friends think I am crazy for my love of them..

I currently drive a Subaru GT wagon. It suits all my needs. Space, Manual trans, AWD, and of course turbo fun.

IF they bring this over in any form of forced induction, I WILL buy one.
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      08-11-2011, 11:15 AM   #27
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They should make it an made to order option for the Wagons if they feel there is no market share. We order our cars already, why not the chassis style/engines too?
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      08-11-2011, 02:16 PM   #28
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Looks good to me so far.
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      08-11-2011, 04:50 PM   #29
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      08-11-2011, 07:20 PM   #30
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Car & Driver have managed to capture the car also.

Interesting here is the light shines through the camouflage showing the shape of the rear quarter light and hoffmeister kick.

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      08-11-2011, 07:56 PM   #31
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Car & Driver have managed to capture the car also.

Interesting here is the light shines through the camouflage showing the shape of the rear quarter light and hoffmeister kick.

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i see... still looks sexy
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      08-13-2011, 06:48 AM   #32
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I am gonna have to kill someone from design team for blinking outside mirrors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      08-13-2011, 10:44 AM   #33
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I am gonna have to kill someone from design team for blinking outside mirrors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Relax... it will be a subtle turn signal in the mirror, like seen on the F20 1-series (http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=539990).
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      08-14-2011, 12:52 AM   #34
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Looks like a natural evolution. Good stuff.

I'll take one about 10 years from now. If I'm still in Europe, I'll be ordering a one with a a 4-pot diesel...
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If, and that's a BIG if, these come in model year 2012, I will be ordering one for the wife to replace her 2009. Provided that: it is available with RWD, it is available with some 6 cylinder engine and it gets over 30 mpg on the highway. I think my chances are slim to none. If I want an AWD, turbocharged 4 cylinder wagon I would get her the better-looking Audi A4 Avant. I want RWD and 6 cylinders when I happen to drive it.
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If, and that's a BIG if, these come in model year 2012, I will be ordering one for the wife to replace her 2009. Provided that: it is available with RWD, it is available with some 6 cylinder engine and it gets over 30 mpg on the highway. I think my chances are slim to none. If I want an AWD, turbocharged 4 cylinder wagon I would get her the better-looking Audi A4 Avant. I want RWD and 6 cylinders when I happen to drive it.
if history is your guide then you will not be getting your wagon

You being a wagon owner should know, BMW NA always like to give the 3 series wagon the smalled engine, e46 == 325, e91 == 328 so I would assume if we did get the F31 == new 4 turbo. Hopefully no AWD as standard like the did with the 5 series wagon
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      08-18-2011, 12:14 PM   #37
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OMG OMG BMW got its brain back from the cleaners!

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=574026

I'm giddy like a schoolgirl at a Justin Bieber concert.

(Yes, I know it's about F11, but a wagon is a wagon is a Touring.)
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      08-18-2011, 01:38 PM   #38
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It would be excellent if this came to the US with some of the less sleepy engines.
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      08-28-2011, 01:03 PM   #39
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Relax... it will be a subtle turn signal in the mirror, like seen on the F20 1-series (http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=539990).


I like my blinkers on fenders, down low
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      08-29-2011, 12:38 AM   #40
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That is the issue. Audi can support models that do not sell with VW Cash.
BMW cannot support a model if it is only sold to a handful of customers after being demanded by many that they ignore it and just wanted it to be there to look pretty in the BMW line-up.

If you take for example the 3er Touring E91 in the US - It is being outsold by the X3. When you compare E91 alongside , X1 and X3 within Europe then it has it's own share of the market. It can stand alone in Europe despite internal competition. In the US this is not possible.

BMW are thinking ahead when the X1 eventually arrives in the US. Will that deem the Touring unnecessary?

BMW's new North American CEO has a background in sales and he knows what works and what does not work in relation to individual markets. And like anyone else in BMW they see that the Touring is fairing badly as are other competitors who have a wagon against a similiar SUV/Crossover in the US Market. You cannot lose a market if the market is lost already.

If the F31 comes to the US and according to people I know it has not been federalized to do so, then it will be one model only. Do not expect 335i/335d.

But the Touring model will follow the 5er launch and immediately after the World Premiere @ Geneva for the 3er Sedan. The 3er Touring will have it's World Premiere at the AMI in Leipzig the following April. As the German market is the largest market for the Touring.

The Touring will become available in Petrol form - 318i ,320i,325i,328i and 335i. For diesel The Touring will be available as 316d,318d,320d,325d,330d,335d and of course an "Efficient Dynamics Edition" 320d Touring.

Again xDrive will be available for both Petrol and diesel.
As long as only the weakest Touring models are sent here and they get shite marketing, it won't change. If I could get a 335d xDrive touring, or even a 335i, or a fricking X1, I'd have already ordered it.

Now, more than ever there has to be a market in the US for downsized SAVs (and yes, i think the Touring should be marketed as such). With the X3 bloating up, there isn't a BMW available in the US for that market.

Can it really be possible that only Subaru knows how to sell a wagon in the US? I know quite a few people who have BMW money and own Outbacks.
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      08-30-2011, 11:13 PM   #41
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And in case it's not clear what I mean by "weakest Touring models"... the 328i Touring models have a detuned 230hp inline 6 that's slower and less efficient (17/25mpg for the xDrive) than the X3 xDrive28i (240hp, 19/25mpg). Of course, both get worse mileage than their 300hp 35i brethren, but that's a separate issue--bring on the N20!

With those numbers, I totally get why no one is buying the current Touring model. Throw an N20 in there, emphasize the drivability and efficiency of the Touring model (it really should be more efficient than an SAV if not detuned to encourage SAV sales), and maybe it would have a chance.

Of course, BMW could always give us the middle ground--the X1. Or a higher performance 335i/xi wagon. Or both!

And "Touring" is seriously boring. Sell the open road, not a ride in a bus.
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      08-31-2011, 11:14 AM   #42
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A big part of the better gas milage is the 8 speed transmission. My 2007 X3 with the 6 speed auto was rated 17 city while the new one is 19 city all due to the new transmission which will be in the wagon so even without a different engine you would see a nice jump in mpg.
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I strongly suggest that all potential F31 owners send a message to BMW NA asking them to bring it here. Who knows if it will help, but it certainly can't hurt. I sent an inquiry yesterday and got the following (canned) response:

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Thank you for contacting BMW of North America, LLC regarding a 3 Series wagon. At this time, we have no additional information.

Newer developments reflecting the wishes and needs of our customers continue to evolve. For decades, we have created cars and services delivering superior safety, quality, and value to our customers. BMW is attuned and responsive to the sentiments of our customer. We are pleased to count you as a member of our family and appreciate your remarks...
You can either send an email to ProductQuestions@bmwusa.com or use this online form: https://www.bmwusa.com/Secured/Conte...1WIP0J8b/9eA==
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They will most likely follow the Audi formula in the US, just as Acura has.

One way or the highway.
TSX Sportwagon and Avant formulas = 4-banger + slushbox. And the TSX is FWD only.

In the case of the F31, it's NO WAY for the USA. BMWNA lost my business.
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