How many peopled ordered Dakota leather becuse they actually wanted it?

carzaddict · 06-28-2015, 04:28 PM

pre-warning....this is a rant thread.

The other day I was having a comparison discussion with a buddy of mine who also has a 2013 238 but only with nav/heated seats/moon roof. We were discussing MSRP and he was shocked how much more mine was and so we went over the options list and i mentioned "$1500 for leather" and he looked at me like I was crazy. He said "wait, I have leather too, I didnt pay $1500 for it".

I explained to him the difference between the two, a few other people joined the conversation and they were just as flabbergasted....they were shocked by 2 things...1) the fact that a BMW didnt come with real leather...2) that it was a $1500 option. So they started examining the 2 cars, 2 people couldnt even tell the difference (granted they arent detail oriented).

I didnt special order the car, picked it up off the lot and already had the dakota option. I got a pretty great deal on the car, considering its $52k MSRP...so I didnt really piss and moan too much about the unnecessary $1500 dakota....but it really pissed me off that I got this stupid option that doesnt really make a difference in my life, nor does anyone know the difference or of its existence.

I looked deeper and realized that I was forced to get Dakota leather because I have the Cold Weather package, its a requirement. the CWP is a $500 option which is misleading because you have to tie it to the $1500 dakota option.....so its actually $2k just to get heated seats and a heated steering wheel. so now im just annoyed at the whole BMW bundle game.....but i guess you have to pay to play right?

Is there anyone here who actually ordered the Dakota leather option because they wanted it? I personally thing its a stupid option...maybe it feels a little better, but I dont see it being worth $1500. I can see myself ordering it if i got red leather....or if they offered a brown color.....but no i have plain black.

damn you BMW and your stupid games /rant

Dog Face Pony Soldier · 06-28-2015, 04:40 PM

I wanted leather.

MickAv8r · 06-28-2015, 04:58 PM

So you are bitching that you have to pay for options and some are bundled with others?

What manufacturer doesn't do that lol.

crono06 · 06-28-2015, 04:59 PM

I wanted leather as well, but it comes standard in the 335 for us in Canada. I also wanted red (or brown, which is not available on the M Sport) so would have had to get it anyways.

My gf is now looking at a Mini, and we're probably just gonna stick with the base (and free) leathette option since we want black anyways.

tex2670 · 06-28-2015, 05:01 PM

Given the quality of the Sansatec, I would live without leather. But I wanted Comfort Access and the Cold Weather Pkg (I could have lived with just the heated seats). But, like you, I bought the car off the lot, and was happy with the deal I got.

tex2670 · 06-28-2015, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MickAv8r

So you are bitching that you have to pay for options and some are bundled with others?

What manufacturer doesn't do that lol.

True that.

Straight Six · 06-28-2015, 05:05 PM

I wanted leather as well, I have sweat issues in some faux leathers, as do many people I talked to.

RoundelM3 · 06-28-2015, 05:11 PM

Can't imagine owning a $50K+ car without leather...mine was included in Premium package, but my wife's 128i M-Sport ($40K+) was ordered without Premium but with leather by choice.

Bassthe1st · 06-28-2015, 05:29 PM

Came standard on my car. It's a bad leather if you ask me. I had sensatec in my old car and though the feel is very similar, there is one advantage that the dakota has: it breaths better so you don't sweat like crazy like with the sensatec. If you ask me I would prefer fabric seats or alcantara over both.

Quakered · 06-28-2015, 05:32 PM

BMW don't offer the imitation leather (vinyl?) over here but haven't had plastic seats in any car for quarter of a century and cannot imagine anything as grim as plastic seats in an expensive car. I suspect you can't have the plastic seats with the heaters as they would melt!

I also can't understand buying a new car if you don't select the exact configuration you want.

Dcarter15 · 06-28-2015, 05:37 PM

I wonder why CW package requires leather on the 3 series but not on the 2 series

Dcarter15 · 06-28-2015, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Quakered

I suspect you can't have the plastic seats with the heaters as they would melt!

You can still order heated seats as a single option with sensatec, just not the package.

vanbmw · 06-28-2015, 06:20 PM

Leather is standard on the 335 here so I have leather but I am glad. I am not a fan of fake leatherette...vinyl. It doesnt look or feel nice to me. I would certainly pay for leather if I ordered a 328. If you don't like it then order your car without it.

As far as having to pay for it on a 328...if you look at the 328 competitors, they all come standard in Vinyl or leatherette. Audi A4 and Mercedes C300 both have leather as a pay option.

Monaco · 06-28-2015, 06:36 PM

Real leather smells much better than Sensatec

rambalu80 · 06-28-2015, 06:40 PM

I wanted leather (terra color) and other features of the premium package, so I ordered with premium package on my E90 328i.

I currently have a 340i on order and wanted the red interior which is only available in leather. So, I added leather to my order.

F32Fleet · 06-28-2015, 08:10 PM

I wanted leathers. The vinyl still feels like, well vinyl. Especially as you slide into the seat.

Michael Schott · 06-28-2015, 08:12 PM

I ordered my car and leather was a must have. A car in this class should not have plastic seats and no matter what many say, the leather feels better than the Sensatec. It also breaths and is softer.

exclusivo · 06-28-2015, 08:35 PM

I wanted red interior which only comes in leather, otherwise, I probably would have gone with sensatec. But then again, I would have wanted heated seats and steering wheel and would have gotten the CWP, so that would have added leather by default.

BMWrules7 · 06-28-2015, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzaddict

pre-warning....this is a rant thread.

The other day I was having a comparison discussion with a buddy of mine who also has a 2013 238 but only with nav/heated seats/moon roof. We were discussing MSRP and he was shocked how much more mine was and so we went over the options list and i mentioned "$1500 for leather" and he looked at me like I was crazy. He said "wait, I have leather too, I didnt pay $1500 for it".

I explained to him the difference between the two, a few other people joined the conversation and they were just as flabbergasted....they were shocked by 2 things...1) the fact that a BMW didnt come with real leather...2) that it was a $1500 option. So they started examining the 2 cars, 2 people couldnt even tell the difference (granted they arent detail oriented).

I didnt special order the car, picked it up off the lot and already had the dakota option. I got a pretty great deal on the car, considering its $52k MSRP...so I didnt really piss and moan too much about the unnecessary $1500 dakota....but it really pissed me off that I got this stupid option that doesnt really make a difference in my life, nor does anyone know the difference or of its existence.

I looked deeper and realized that I was forced to get Dakota leather because I have the Cold Weather package, its a requirement. the CWP is a $500 option which is misleading because you have to tie it to the $1500 dakota option.....so its actually $2k just to get heated seats and a heated steering wheel. so now im just annoyed at the whole BMW bundle game.....but i guess you have to pay to play right?

Is there anyone here who actually ordered the Dakota leather option because they wanted it? I personally thing its a stupid option...maybe it feels a little better, but I dont see it being worth $1500. I can see myself ordering it if i got red leather....or if they offered a brown color.....but no i have plain black.

damn you BMW and your stupid games /rant

Keep in mind, the Dakota leather is more than $1500. You have to add in the cost of the stock material.

Next, the main thing Dakota offers is its fire retardant treatment.

You don't want an errant seat heater to burn the car.

This has happened.

keylime503 · 06-28-2015, 09:09 PM

$1500 for Dakota leather is a bad deal. Most people that have it have the Premium Package as well, which comes with the leather for only $700 more, plus comfort access (worth $700 by itself), Sirius XM, and lumbar.

carzaddict · 06-28-2015, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickAv8r

So you are bitching that you have to pay for options and some are bundled with others?

What manufacturer doesn't do that lol.

you're absolutely right, im just bitching about the concept in general. its really annoying sometimes

Quote:

Originally Posted by roundel335

Can't imagine owning a $50K+ car without leather...mine was included in Premium package, but my wife's 128i M-Sport ($40K+) was ordered without Premium but with leather by choice.

the bigger thing i cant imagine is a manufacture making a $50k+ car without leather!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quakered

BMW don't offer the imitation leather (vinyl?) over here but haven't had plastic seats in any car for quarter of a century and cannot imagine anything as grim as plastic seats in an expensive car. I suspect you can't have the plastic seats with the heaters as they would melt!

I also can't understand buying a new car if you don't select the exact configuration you want.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dcarter15

You can still order heated seats as a single option with sensatec, just not the package.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMWrules7

Keep in mind, the Dakota leather is more than $1500. You have to add in the cost of the stock leather.

Next, the main thing Dakota offers is its fire retardant treatment.

You don't want an errant seat heater to burn the car.

This has happened.

hmmmm.....if the heat is the issue....then they shoudnt offer the heated seats at all with sensatec. I wonder if there's a limit....for example each of the front seats has 1 coil....and thats as much as sensatec can handle...so they allow it. but the rear bench has 2 coils....maybe generates more heat? that makes sense

RM7 · 06-28-2015, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzaddict

you're absolutely right, im just bitching about the concept in general. its really annoying sometimes

the bigger thing i cant imagine is a manufacture making a $50k+ car without leather!

hmmmm.....if the heat is the issue....then they shoudnt offer the heated seats at all with sensatec. I wonder if there's a limit....for example each of the front seats has 1 coil....and thats as much as sensatec can handle...so they allow it. but the rear bench has 2 coils....maybe generates more heat? that makes sense

Questions to answer are:

While the front seats may be dakota leather, when you get the package are the entire front seats, rear seats and any other trim pieces all leather? It's fairly common to only make the front seats leather or even only parts of them.

I wish there were some nice cloth sport seats, I kinda like how they look and feel, but I spent a lot of time in hot climates where every little advantage was welcomed (in terms of resisting heat).

In any case, just tell your passengers/GF it's leather.

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carzaddict Lieutenant Colonel 158 Rep 1,573 Posts Drives: 2015 Cadillac Escalade ESV Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	How many peopled ordered Dakota leather becuse they actually wanted it? pre-warning....this is a rant thread. The other day I was having a comparison discussion with a buddy of mine who also has a 2013 238 but only with nav/heated seats/moon roof. We were discussing MSRP and he was shocked how much more mine was and so we went over the options list and i mentioned "$1500 for leather" and he looked at me like I was crazy. He said "wait, I have leather too, I didnt pay $1500 for it". I explained to him the difference between the two, a few other people joined the conversation and they were just as flabbergasted....they were shocked by 2 things...1) the fact that a BMW didnt come with real leather...2) that it was a $1500 option. So they started examining the 2 cars, 2 people couldnt even tell the difference (granted they arent detail oriented). I didnt special order the car, picked it up off the lot and already had the dakota option. I got a pretty great deal on the car, considering its $52k MSRP...so I didnt really piss and moan too much about the unnecessary $1500 dakota....but it really pissed me off that I got this stupid option that doesnt really make a difference in my life, nor does anyone know the difference or of its existence. I looked deeper and realized that I was forced to get Dakota leather because I have the Cold Weather package, its a requirement. the CWP is a $500 option which is misleading because you have to tie it to the $1500 dakota option.....so its actually $2k just to get heated seats and a heated steering wheel. so now im just annoyed at the whole BMW bundle game.....but i guess you have to pay to play right? Is there anyone here who actually ordered the Dakota leather option because they wanted it? I personally thing its a stupid option...maybe it feels a little better, but I dont see it being worth $1500. I can see myself ordering it if i got red leather....or if they offered a brown color.....but no i have plain black. damn you BMW and your stupid games /rant __________________ 2015i Cadillac Escalade ESV
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crono06 Captain 127 Rep 764 Posts Drives: 2013 335i and 2018 X3 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Toronto ON iTrader: (0)	I wanted leather as well, but it comes standard in the 335 for us in Canada. I also wanted red (or brown, which is not available on the M Sport) so would have had to get it anyways. My gf is now looking at a Mini, and we're probably just gonna stick with the base (and free) leathette option since we want black anyways.
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Bassthe1st Private First Class 22 Rep 160 Posts Drives: 2017 330i xDrive M Sport Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Montreal, Qc iTrader: (0)	Came standard on my car. It's a bad leather if you ask me. I had sensatec in my old car and though the feel is very similar, there is one advantage that the dakota has: it breaths better so you don't sweat like crazy like with the sensatec. If you ask me I would prefer fabric seats or alcantara over both. __________________ Current: 2017 330i xDrive M Sport Past: 2013 328i xDrive, 2008 335XI 6MT, Legacy SPEC.B, MazdaSpeed6(best of all)
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Quakered First Lieutenant 67 Rep 334 Posts Drives: was BMW 328 Tourer F31 Join Date: May 2013 Location: London iTrader: (0)	BMW don't offer the imitation leather (vinyl?) over here but haven't had plastic seats in any car for quarter of a century and cannot imagine anything as grim as plastic seats in an expensive car. I suspect you can't have the plastic seats with the heaters as they would melt! I also can't understand buying a new car if you don't select the exact configuration you want.
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Dcarter15 Private 32 Rep 97 Posts Drives: 2014 335i Msport Join Date: May 2014 Location: New England iTrader: (0)	I wonder why CW package requires leather on the 3 series but not on the 2 series
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vanbmw Major 130 Rep 1,101 Posts Drives: 2015 Black 335i Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0)	Leather is standard on the 335 here so I have leather but I am glad. I am not a fan of fake leatherette...vinyl. It doesnt look or feel nice to me. I would certainly pay for leather if I ordered a 328. If you don't like it then order your car without it. As far as having to pay for it on a 328...if you look at the 328 competitors, they all come standard in Vinyl or leatherette. Audi A4 and Mercedes C300 both have leather as a pay option.
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F32Fleet Lieutenant General 3570 Rep 10,351 Posts Drives: 2015 435i Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southeastern US iTrader: (0)	I wanted leathers. The vinyl still feels like, well vinyl. Especially as you slide into the seat. __________________ "Drive more, worry less. " 435i, MPPK, MPE, M-Sport Line
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Michael Schott Colonel 343 Rep 2,118 Posts Drives: 2017 VW GTI Sport Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Farmington Hills, MI iTrader: (0)	I ordered my car and leather was a must have. A car in this class should not have plastic seats and no matter what many say, the leather feels better than the Sensatec. It also breaths and is softer.
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exclusivo Lieutenant Colonel 126 Rep 1,893 Posts Drives: race car Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: queens, ny iTrader: (11)	I wanted red interior which only comes in leather, otherwise, I probably would have gone with sensatec. But then again, I would have wanted heated seats and steering wheel and would have gotten the CWP, so that would have added leather by default. __________________
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keylime503 Major 630 Rep 1,227 Posts Drives: M2C 6MT, Audi A4 Avant Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	$1500 for Dakota leather is a bad deal. Most people that have it have the Premium Package as well, which comes with the leather for only $700 more, plus comfort access (worth $700 by itself), Sirius XM, and lumbar.
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