NEW RELEASE: DINANTRONICS Sport (N55)

yoandry · 01-10-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

Will do. Just got tracking information today. Shipped directly from Dinan and will arrive tomorrow. Unfortunately I am out of the country until December 23rd, so the review will have to wait until after Christmas. Now I really can't wait to get home!!

Nothing yet?

JaredG_F30 · 01-10-2017, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by yoandry

Nothing yet?

Sorry for the delay but I wanted to give it some time to prevent any placebo effect. So here is my official review....

PROS: Fairly inexpensive, easy to install, app is easy to use

CONS: I don't know if I have a defective unit but my butt dyno doesn't feel any difference and I think I would with a +30 hp and +40 tq. Additionally, since I've been running the Sport I've noticed a bit of a hesitation on acceleration after a cold start. Doesn't seem to happen after the engine is warm so I don't know if running the Sport+ is the culprit. I'm going to remove the Sport over the weekend and see if the issue goes away.

I did do some data logging on a stop and go traffic commute home for the hell of it. I've posted the graphs below. One thing I noticed is after hard acceleration a/f ratio can get close to 30. I'm a bit of a noob, but think this may be an issue. If you look at the graph, as boost builds and thus intake manifold pressure, mass air flow rate and vehicle speed the a/f spikes shortly after. It's almost as if the DME is not quite fast enough to compensate for the extra boost and extra air resulting in a lean mixture. The way I understand the Sport works is by tricking the DME into thinking it is running 3 psi less boost so it compensates by adding boost then a/f goes wack and it has to compensate for that. A/F normalizes around 14.5 but the data shows spikes close to 30. I want to take some time over the weekend to do some data logging in spirited driving conditions on some canyon roads to get some good data in Sport+, Sport, normal and valet mode then compare it to a stock (remove the Sport) baseline. See the graphs below. X-axis is in seconds. Data logging via LELink BLE OBD-II OBD2 Car Diagnostic Tool and OBD Fusion App on iPhone.

franzzz · 01-12-2017, 02:25 AM

Best test for my point of view are :

0-120mph -> STOCK
0-120mph -> +3psi

Same road, same day. Just wait 1 or 2 mile in order to do an adaptation.

yoandry · 01-12-2017, 09:35 AM

Why aren't you using the race map +4 psi

CIWS · 01-12-2017, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yoandry

Why aren't you using the race map +4 psi

May not have access to higher octane petrol.

franzzz · 01-15-2017, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

Sorry for the delay but I wanted to give it some time to prevent any placebo effect. So here is my official review....

PROS: Fairly inexpensive, easy to install, app is easy to use

CONS: I don't know if I have a defective unit but my butt dyno doesn't feel any difference and I think I would with a +30 hp and +40 tq. Additionally, since I've been running the Sport I've noticed a bit of a hesitation on acceleration after a cold start. Doesn't seem to happen after the engine is warm so I don't know if running the Sport+ is the culprit. I'm going to remove the Sport over the weekend and see if the issue goes away.

I did do some data logging on a stop and go traffic commute home for the hell of it. I've posted the graphs below. One thing I noticed is after hard acceleration a/f ratio can get close to 30. I'm a bit of a noob, but think this may be an issue. If you look at the graph, as boost builds and thus intake manifold pressure, mass air flow rate and vehicle speed the a/f spikes shortly after. It's almost as if the DME is not quite fast enough to compensate for the extra boost and extra air resulting in a lean mixture. The way I understand the Sport works is by tricking the DME into thinking it is running 3 psi less boost so it compensates by adding boost then a/f goes wack and it has to compensate for that. A/F normalizes around 14.5 but the data shows spikes close to 30. I want to take some time over the weekend to do some data logging in spirited driving conditions on some canyon roads to get some good data in Sport+, Sport, normal and valet mode then compare it to a stock (remove the Sport) baseline. See the graphs below. X-axis is in seconds. Data logging via LELink BLE OBD-II OBD2 Car Diagnostic Tool and OBD Fusion App on iPhone.

news after a period of adaptaton ?

JaredG_F30 · 01-16-2017, 12:26 PM

Sorry guys but I didn't get to do any data logging this weekend. I spent all weekend under the hood of my wife's car replacing a bunch of stuff and included removing the intake manifold which is a PITA.

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Originally Posted by yoandry

Why aren't you using the race map +4 psi

no 93 octane here in CA.

franzzz · 01-18-2017, 01:43 AM

OK
Tnx!

Budget M3 · 01-22-2017, 01:26 PM

Dinan--Why does the app require GPS to run in the background?

AudiA4 · 01-22-2017, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by franzzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

Sorry for the delay but I wanted to give it some time to prevent any placebo effect. So here is my official review....

PROS: Fairly inexpensive, easy to install, app is easy to use

CONS: I don't know if I have a defective unit but my butt dyno doesn't feel any difference and I think I would with a +30 hp and +40 tq. Additionally, since I've been running the Sport I've noticed a bit of a hesitation on acceleration after a cold start. Doesn't seem to happen after the engine is warm so I don't know if running the Sport+ is the culprit. I'm going to remove the Sport over the weekend and see if the issue goes away.

I did do some data logging on a stop and go traffic commute home for the hell of it. I've posted the graphs below. One thing I noticed is after hard acceleration a/f ratio can get close to 30. I'm a bit of a noob, but think this may be an issue. If you look at the graph, as boost builds and thus intake manifold pressure, mass air flow rate and vehicle speed the a/f spikes shortly after. It's almost as if the DME is not quite fast enough to compensate for the extra boost and extra air resulting in a lean mixture. The way I understand the Sport works is by tricking the DME into thinking it is running 3 psi less boost so it compensates by adding boost then a/f goes wack and it has to compensate for that. A/F normalizes around 14.5 but the data shows spikes close to 30. I want to take some time over the weekend to do some data logging in spirited driving conditions on some canyon roads to get some good data in Sport+, Sport, normal and valet mode then compare it to a stock (remove the Sport) baseline. See the graphs below. X-axis is in seconds. Data logging via LELink BLE OBD-II OBD2 Car Diagnostic Tool and OBD Fusion App on iPhone.

news after a period of adaptaton ?

Agreed. Any update/consensus on the product and performance?

Dinan_Engineering · 01-23-2017, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Budget M3

Dinan--Why does the app require GPS to run in the background?

Didn't know it did. Mine doesn't. iOS or Android?

Budget M3 · 01-29-2017, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinan_Engineering

Didn't know it did. Mine doesn't. iOS or Android?

IOS 10.2. Info in the App Store states that it will run GPS in background.

JaredG_F30 · 02-01-2017, 08:26 PM

OK finally got around to doing some data logging with direct comparisons with DS set at 3.0 PSI, normal and with the DS removed. Good news is AFRs look good and mimic what happens when stock. I basically figured out the spike in AFR happens when you lift off the throttle, durrr. Under throttle AFRs are in a good range in all modes. With back to back comparison, the car definitely feels faster with more available torque down low. Is it worth $300. Maybe. If you want a little extra get up and go that is easy to uninstall (if you have warranty concerns) and don't plan FBO with tune then its a good buy. If you want to go FBO with tune then skip it and get a charge pipe.

AudiA4 · 02-01-2017, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

OK finally got around to doing some data logging with direct comparisons with DS set at 3.0 PSI, normal and with the DS removed. Good news is AFRs look good and mimic what happens when stock. I basically figured out the spike in AFR happens when you lift off the throttle, durrr. Under throttle AFRs are in a good range in all modes. With back to back comparison, the car definitely feels faster with more available torque down low. Is it worth $300. Maybe. If you want a little extra get up and go that is easy to uninstall (if you have warranty concerns) and don't plan FBO with tune then its a good buy. If you want to go FBO with tune then skip it and get a charge pipe.

Pardon my ignorance. FBO?

crono06 · 02-02-2017, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

Pardon my ignorance. FBO?

Full bolt ons.

franzzz · 02-03-2017, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JaredG_F30

OK finally got around to doing some data logging with direct comparisons with DS set at 3.0 PSI, normal and with the DS removed. Good news is AFRs look good and mimic what happens when stock. I basically figured out the spike in AFR happens when you lift off the throttle, durrr. Under throttle AFRs are in a good range in all modes. With back to back comparison, the car definitely feels faster with more available torque down low. Is it worth $300. Maybe. If you want a little extra get up and go that is easy to uninstall (if you have warranty concerns) and don't plan FBO with tune then its a good buy. If you want to go FBO with tune then skip it and get a charge pipe.

ok
+30cv over stock are real ?

Any data like 0-100mph / 0-130mph ?

JaredG_F30 · 02-03-2017, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by franzzz

ok
+30cv over stock are real ?

Any data like 0-100mph / 0-130mph ?

The HP and torque increase claims seem to be legit

I haven't been to the drag strip so I don't have that data and not going to risk it on the street

CIWS · 02-03-2017, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by franzzz

ok
+30cv over stock are real ?

Any data like 0-100mph / 0-130mph ?

I was running the Dinan Sport + at this event. (I also have MPPK)

AudiA4 · 02-04-2017, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CIWS

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Originally Posted by franzzz

ok
+30cv over stock are real ?

Any data like 0-100mph / 0-130mph ?

I was running the Dinan Sport + at this event. (I also have MPPK)

Looks like a nice run. How would that compare to stock (non Dinan Sport)?

franzzz · 02-05-2017, 02:28 AM

this is 435i MPPK stock with classic 340cv
Year 2014

CIWS · 02-05-2017, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AudiA4

Looks like a nice run. How would that compare to stock (non Dinan Sport)?

Best I can supply is a single run I made at the 1/4 mile when I only had the MPPK, which would compare it up to 100mph. Looks like it's around .5 sec slower to 100 without the Dinan Sport.

izmirian09 · 02-09-2017, 01:01 PM

Hi Everyone

I'm relatively new here and might have been discussed previously. I have a 2015 428 convertible. I want to get this installed but wondering if mod would be traceable when I take the car in for an oil change for example. (of course I would take out the tuner before I take it BMW service)

Basically I want to get this and avoid losing my warranty coverage.

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izmirian09 Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: 2015 428i convertible Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Any potential for Voiding Warranty? Hi Everyone I'm relatively new here and might have been discussed previously. I have a 2015 428 convertible. I want to get this installed but wondering if mod would be traceable when I take the car in for an oil change for example. (of course I would take out the tuner before I take it BMW service) Basically I want to get this and avoid losing my warranty coverage.
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