[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

I think in the first 3 years at least the 335d will hold its premium over the 330d (both xdrive) no problem.. it did in the e90 anyway.

What! you saying you'll get ALL the extra money back in the first 3 years?

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

If the 335D was only £2000 more than a 330D that would be a bargain (and in reality what it should be as it is only turbo plumbing and fuel pressure pump different to the 330D in real costs).

To be honest, if it was £4k more.....I'd baulk at the cost, swear quietly.......then go ahead and place the order for a 335D

once a power junkie......

You're comparing the price for rwd 330d against the (expected) price of an 335d which will only be xdrive. Think the premium is £1650 for xdrive over rwd.

But i will stick to statement early on the pricing.. like for like 330d xdrive - 335d xdrive being approx £2k diff.. or i'll be shocked!

The rwd v's xdrive is a different discussion altogether

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

What! you saying you'll get ALL the extra money back in the first 3 years?

Do i think the 335d xdrive will be worth £2k more than a 330d xdrive.. yes or not far off it.

With the e92 330d v's 335d it was and in some instances bigger than initial price.. plus the purchase price should be a bit closer since a couple of hundred extra pounds should be available discount wise.

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

If the 335D was only £2000 more than a 330D that would be a bargain (and in reality what it should be as it is only turbo plumbing and fuel pressure pump different to the 330D in real costs).

Do the engines use the same block in the F30 series now then.

[f1swk]

so back in the real world is the 335 two places further on in the traffic que than the 330

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

You're comparing the price for rwd 330d against the (expected) price of an 335d which will only be xdrive. Think the premium is £1650 for xdrive over rwd.

But i will stick to statement early on the pricing.. like for like 330d xdrive - 335d xdrive being approx £2k diff.. or i'll be shocked!

The rwd v's xdrive is a different discussion altogether

No, I am comparing a price increase of a 330D to a 335D. xDrive will be the same premium on both, keeping the engine price difference constant whatever the drive. Yes I know no sDrive 335D now, but it has to be in the pipeline?!?!?

£2k? prepare to be shocked

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

No, I am comparing a price increase of a 330D to a 335D. xDrive will be the same premium on both, keeping the engine price difference constant whatever the drive. Yes I know no sDrive 335D now, but it has to be in the pipeline?!?!?

£2k? prepare to be shocked

Strange they release the xDrive first.

Yes, they will be shocked.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

Do the engines use the same block in the F30 series now then.

They do in all the series......there is only one 3litre diesel block, available in 25D, 30D, 35D and 50D guises. EDIT: Ooops missed 40D

[F30AM]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

If you dont know what youre talking about... then stop talking pish!!!

Go and look at the pricing of the 3 series range.. the model range jumps approx £2k per model 320d > 325d > 330d give or take a couple of hundred quid

As i said it will cost roughly £2k more than 330d xdrive, and will be proven correct when the prices are released.. and it will be the diesel to have!

Nisfan is right above 5 series jumping £4k as well

Pish-pash to you too with knobs on!

F10 530d sDrive M Sport Saloon = £44,125
F10 535d sDrive M Sport Saloon = £48,105
Difference in Price = £3980 + £1590 extra for xDrive = £5570
Oh dear, I must be very wrong!

But even with your figures the 335d xDrive will be £3590 more than the 330d sDrive.

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by F30AM

Strange they release the xDrive first.

Yes, they will be shocked.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they tend to release lower to higher in terms of desirability. This means that when you're buying second hand the more desirable cars hold their value better over a longer period..

[davyk31]

There may be extra spec and equipment for the 335d. This was the case for the 335d as it gained sports suspension, sports seats etc on the 335d SE which the 330d SE did not have as standard.

Anyway ......... just drive a 335d and you will be impressed and thats based on the 286bhp engine in the E9X. The 313 in the F30/31 will be spectacular as it knocks over a second off the 0-60 time and has the excellent 8 speed box.

[F30AM]

Yep! It will be spectacular. No doubt.

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

They do in all the series......there is only one 3litre diesel block, available in 25D, 30D, 35D and 50D guises. EDIT: Ooops missed 40D

Was the block in the old 335d not a cast block, where the 330d was replaced with an alloy block.. if i remember correctly

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

No, I am comparing a price increase of a 330D to a 335D. xDrive will be the same premium on both, keeping the engine price difference constant whatever the drive. Yes I know no sDrive 335D now, but it has to be in the pipeline?!?!?

£2k? prepare to be shocked

Lets compare apples with apples here! We have to compare the price of what the 335d xDrive is going to list at compared to a 330d xDrive , not against the rwd drive car.

We cant compare the price rwd v's rwd as no 335d rwd has been confirmed YET...

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

Was the block in the old 335d not a cast block, where the 330d was replaced with an alloy block.. if i remember correctly

Yes, but what I mean is all the N57's are the same block. So same basic engine in the 335d as in 330d.

335d has twin turbo system, two less complex turbo's. 330D has a single VTN turbo. In terms of actual cost to manufacture, not much in it.

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by F30AM

Pish-pash to you too with knobs on!

F10 530d sDrive M Sport Saloon = £44,125
F10 535d sDrive M Sport Saloon = £48,105
Difference in Price = £3980 + £1590 extra for xDrive = £5570
Oh dear, I must be very wrong!

But even with your figures the 335d xDrive will be £3590 more than the 330d sDrive.

F**k me how stupid are some people... you've even proved it with your figures above..

A £3980 difference between 530 > 535 , they dont sell them in xDrive so you cant bend your figures to suit!!

It's like saying the 535d is £6k dearer than a 530d because it has xdrive & pro media

I was originally referring to the E60 model (which i owned several) the circa £4k jump a model.. but seems to have kept the same scale on the F10

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Yes, but what I mean is all the N57's are the same block. So same basic engine in the 335d as in 330d.

335d has twin turbo system, two less complex turbo's. 330D has a single VTN turbo. In terms of actual cost to manufacture, not much in it.

Yes thats what i was getting at that last 330d's in the E9* range used the N57 block.. but the 335d didnt use that block, so was i right enough.. they're not all the same engines.. just with different turbo set-up as you said.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

Lets compare apples with apples here! We have to compare the price of what the 335d xDrive is going to list at compared to a 330d xDrive , not against the rwd drive car.

We cant compare the price rwd v's rwd as no 335d rwd has been confirmed YET...

I think we are missing each other......

330D xDrive vs. 335D xDrive will have virtually same cost difference as 330D sDrive vs. 335D sDrive. I am not comparing 330D sDrive to 335D xDrive. All I'm interested in the the cost increase for the 335D engine over the exact same sDrive.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

Yes thats what i was getting at that last 330d's in the E9* range used the N57 block.. but the 335d didnt use that block, so was i right enough.. they're not all the same engines.. just with different turbo set-up as you said.

Eh? who mentioned e9X? I don't care about the engine in an e9x

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Eh? who mentioned e9X? I don't care about the engine in an e9x

I thought thats what you were talking about as you mentioned 25D block (which was a 6cyl in the E9*).. but is it not 4cyl in F30 uhuh

[Irnbrukid]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

I think we are missing each other......

330D xDrive vs. 335D xDrive will have virtually same cost difference as 330D sDrive vs. 335D sDrive. I am not comparing 330D sDrive to 335D xDrive. All I'm interested in the the cost increase for the 335D engine over the exact same sDrive.

No, i know what your saying.. im saying i reckon it will be about £2k difference between them, whether its sDrive or xDrive model like for like

Its just people trying to be an arse saying its £4k.. but fail to acknowledge theyre are not comparable cars.. i.e. one has xDrive.

The proof will be in the pudding as they say

I reckon it will be about £39,995-£40,295 otr

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by Irnbrukid

I thought thats what you were talking about as you mentioned 25D block (which was a 6cyl in the E9*).. but is it not 4cyl in F30 uhuh

Oh I see no I actually meant 525d F10 early before switch to N47