[rustyminded]

Hey guys, so I've been searching for a good FMIC for my N20 F30 and came up with 4 products that happened to be different in several things, I will put links as well, so I need your help in deciding & even for debating which is better. ER claimed to get 15-25 whp depending on your modification, they said they will put a graph later.. no real dyno in any of the other products

so will I give up the huge weight difference and go for ER or get the lightest one of them. as it happens that I have the AA, AFE dp and both took off weight from mid & back of the car about 22 lbs, I also have strut, intake which adds 11 lbs front, so If I got the heaviest intercooler 20 lbs the car won't be balanced ? or it doesn't matter that much weight with added performance ?! any help appreciated


Stock:

volume: 72.93cm³
size: 510x130x110 mm
weight: 7.3 lbs
.........


ER (evolutionracewerk):

volume: 10.815 cm³
size: 508x280x76 mm
weight: 20 lbs
whp: 15-25
degree difference: 40 Fahrenheit (23 Celsius) 70 Fahrenheit

http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/node/258
........

Wagner competition:

Volume: 11.752 cm³
size: 520 x 210 x130 mm
weight: 14.5 lbs
whp: N/A
degree difference: 22 Fahrenheit (12 Celsius) 72 Fahrenheit

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=932195
......


ATM:
volume: N/A
size: N/A
weight: 17.3 lbs (10 pounds over stock)
whp: N/A
degree difference: 32 Fahrenheit (18 Celsius) @55 Fahrenheit

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=955430
........


Tuningwerk:

volume: N/A
size: N/A
whp: N/A
weight: 14.5 lbs

http://www.tuningwerk.de/tuningwerk/...GtvlB1Xrqfq9W0
........

Forge:

Volume: N/A
size: N/A
weight: N/A
whp: based on graph 10-15 avg
degree difference: 50 Fahrenheit (28 Celsius) they claim 25 Celsius but I see it's 28 !!

http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/con...ct=FMINT135F20

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

I'd recommend the Evolution Racewerks. We've been working with them for years and they always produce quality pieces that perform.

[marcoac14]

Prices?

[f30luxline]

Originally Posted by marcoac14

Prices?

http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/node/258

I'd imagine it would be similar to ^^^^


This is on my next top 3 with meth.

[munch520]

Someone school me, intercoolers don't add 15-25whp, correct? They help retain that HP and combat power lost to heat soak...?

This is intriguing though. Watermeth will be on my short list, then maybe this. Does someone currently make WM kits for f30's?

[f30luxline]

Originally Posted by munch520

Someone school me, intercoolers don't add 15-25whp, correct? They help retain that HP and combat power lost to heat soak...?

This is intriguing though. Watermeth will be on my short list, then maybe this. Does someone currently make WM kits for f30's?

Air is more dense when cooler. The denser the air the more an engine can ingest , which creates more power. This is where the concept of meth comes from. Meth significantly reduces IAT's.

There are numerous companies selling meth kits. I don't believe it's auto specific. BMS sells a kit.

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by marcoac14

Prices?

ER: $900

Wagner: $690-850

ATM: No idea

Tuningwerk: $970

Forge: about $1200

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

I'd recommend the Evolution Racewerks. We've been working with them for years and they always produce quality pieces that perform.

This was discussed on N54tech as well, 80% is ER now

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25493

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by munch520

Someone school me, intercoolers don't add 15-25whp, correct? They help retain that HP and combat power lost to heat soak...?

This is intriguing though. Watermeth will be on my short list, then maybe this. Does someone currently make WM kits for f30's?

They managed 281 whp without FMIC & 312 whp with FMIC.

http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/node/257

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by f30luxline

http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/node/258

I'd imagine it would be similar to ^^^^


This is on my next top 3 with meth.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by marcoac14

Prices?

Originally Posted by f30luxline

http://www.evolutionracewerks.com/node/258

I'd imagine it would be similar to ^^^^


This is on my next top 3 with meth.

We sell them 10% off Retail currently with Free Shipping

I can't post links here but our site is easy to browse.

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

We sell them 10% off Retail currently with Free Shipping

I can't post links here but our site is easy to browse.

but they haven't released for F30 yet

[rustyminded]

Guys ER replied to me about their Dyno for 328i here it is:

Blue line: Tune, ER Downpipe, FMIC
Red line: Tune, ER Downpipe
Green line: Stock baseline

[jmaak]

I find it very hard to believe that an intercooler can give those kind of gains.

if the X axis is correct on that car (and each run was done on the same day) the stock intercooler is already heat soaked at 40 mph.

I mean its possible, but not likely.

I have never seen an intercooler alone give ~60-70 ft/lbs at low rpm

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by jmaak

I find it very hard to believe that an intercooler can give those kind of gains.

if the X axis is correct on that car (and each run was done on the same day) the stock intercooler is already heat soaked at 40 mph.

I mean its possible, but not likely.

I have never seen an intercooler alone give ~60-70 ft/lbs at low rpm

Ok I think based on email that red line with tune & dp only that was on st.1 and with intercooler was with st.2, FMIC & CP but all I know it was done on map 7 and he said map 7 gained him only 4 whp from map 2 as he only used 91 octane which is very low for map 7

[jmaak]

that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

Thread jack
how do you like your beta harness?
Did you notice a lot of difference?
Are you using the n55 cable?
Are you stage 1 or 2?
Do you also run Flex fuel wires?

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by jmaak

that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

Thread jack
how do you like your beta harness?
Did you notice a lot of difference?
Are you using the n55 cable?
Are you stage 1 or 2?
Do you also run Flex fuel wires?

hahaha I use the N20 as they are different, I have the st.2 with FF wires, I didn't use them until Terry told me they are beneficial with the harness..
so far I haven't tested it because I'm away from my country, I can't wait to go home & try it

[mike@x-ph.com]

ER no question about it.

[Phiwee]

Don't get the Wagner is all I can say.

[rustyminded]

Originally Posted by Phiwee

Don't get the Wagner is all I can say.

why ?!!

[f30luxline]

Originally Posted by Phiwee

Don't get the Wagner is all I can say.

You have to elaborate more and provide some factual data on why, you can't contribute to the subject with an open-ended comment

[Ilovemycar]

I still have yet to see where I can order the ER for the n26 ....also, any word on the n26 charge pipe ?