[Mrcarcrazy]

looks like I'll be paying 2200 for premium on my 335i M sport so I can get the comfort access keyless nonsense. I'm not misinterpreting am I? It appears on the ordering info for the 2013 that you have to get Premium, even on a 335 to get the comfort access nonsense? that's one expensive keyless system...

[Vector Pilot]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Here are some things I've found between 2012 pricing and features, compared to 2013 pricing and features. I added some examples of how it affects pricing.

I've checked out the new 2013 model year 328i and 335i, and BMW has added some items as standard.
BUT, the base pricing has gone up on both 328i and 335i.
Prices below don't include the $895 delivery charge.
328i base price is now $36,500 up from $34,900.
335i base price is now $42,800 up $42,400.

Here's what is now added to the 328i as standard:
-Auto dimming exterior mirrors
-Auto dimming rearview mirror
-Universal garage door opener
-Power seats w/memory
-The above were part of the 2012 "premium pkg."
-Split & fold down rear seats
-That was part of a pkg. and a $475 stand alone option for 2012.
-Satellite Radio ****CORRECTION**** The new guide shows "Satellite radio preparation". Until we get clarification, it looks like satellite radio is included but not activated.
The "premium pkg" shows "Satellite radio with 1 year subscription". This option was part of the HK audio pkg in 2012, but it's been moved.

Xenon headlights appear to be a stand alone option in 2013, for the same $900.
HK audio upgrade has been reduced to $875. Satellite radio preparation, meaning unknown, is now standard on the base car.
Costs simply shifted to base price.

I built and optioned a 2012 328i sport line with the same options and features as an equally optioned 2013 328i sport line.
Price difference? $100.
But, that's because I had to add in the folding split seats that are included in the 328i price, but are a $475 cost option.
If you wanted the split seats in 2012, then 2013 pricing is only $100 more. If you didn't want split seats, then 2013 is $575 more AND you get the seats.

Overall, I say this isn't bad. If you option a 3 with the features most want, then the price difference isn't much at all.
But, I posted before about "economy of scale", where if you add certain previous features at added cost, then adding those features to the base car and adjusting the price, should lead to a LOWER over price due to economy of scale. However, we're not seeing that here.
Equally optioned and equal features results in the 2013 328i costing $100 more. Given the slow growing strength of the Dollar, and the Euro not doing that great, I would have expected a better deal as features were added as standard.

In the 335i it too gets all those items as standard as well.
2012 335i sport line equally configured to a 2013 335i sport line:
2012 - $49,370
2013 - $49,520
$150 more for equal options.
For my config, which didn't include split fold down seats, 2012 MSRP is
$48,895. So, it's a $625 increase, and I have to take the split seats now.
Adding some features as standard, actually INCREASED the overall cost for me, as I wasn't going to get the split seat option.

Bundling features into the base car is great, but it has to come with a REDUCTION in overall cost not an increase.
No big deal really, as it's likely that most people option the split seats, so most will only see a $100 to $150 increase for a 2013.
Not bad at all.

Thanks for sharing the comparison, not going to miss having to select the Premium Package.

[Ron Scott]

Originally Posted by Mrcarcrazy

looks like I'll be paying 2200 for premium on my 335i M sport so I can get the comfort access keyless nonsense. I'm not misinterpreting am I? It appears on the ordering info for the 2013 that you have to get Premium, even on a 335 to get the comfort access nonsense? that's one expensive keyless system...

So this just lets you wiggle your foot under the rear bumper to pop the trunk?

[shabadoo25]

Originally Posted by Ron Scott

So this just lets you wiggle your foot under the rear bumper to pop the trunk?

It lets you never have to pull the fob out of your pocket.

[Ron Scott]

Originally Posted by shabadoo25

It lets you never have to pull the fob out of your pocket.

Trying to think if this or lane departure warning is the last thing we really need in a car.

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by Ron Scott

Trying to think if this or lane departure warning is the last thing we really need in a car.

Keyless is very helpful for certain people.

Imagine your wife carrying shopping bags and dragging the kids along to the car parked on a dangerous busy street.

Not having to put down the bags and having to search around in her bag for the keys to quickly put the children into the safety of the car off the street is a very good thing.

[yerffejleahcim]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

Keyless is very helpful for certain people.

Imagine your wife carrying shopping bags and dragging the kids along to the car parked on a dangerous busy street.

Not having to put down the bags and having to search around in her bag for the keys to quickly put the children into the safety of the car off the street is a very good thing.

x2

[svache]

I had the keyless entry on my '09 X5 and I have it again on my '12 F30.. I wouldn't want to live without it, it's one of the best things imho.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by svache

I had the keyless entry on my '09 X5 and I have it again on my '12 F30.. I wouldn't want to live without it, it's one of the best things imho.

I had it on a 120d I drove half a year back in 2004/5.

But the trunk/boot kick opener still doesn't work properly on my car.

[bimmerjph]

Power Seats are finally standard? Damn. Never thought that would happen.

[Mrcarcrazy]

Originally Posted by Ron Scott

Trying to think if this or lane departure warning is the last thing we really need in a car.

I think all the driving/parking assists are useless for anyone w/ a brain. The keyless crap is just neat. I often find myself @ the back of a car w/ a cpl arm loads of crap...it will be nice not to have to put 1/2 of it down to open the trunk...not to mention just walking up to the car to unlock it. (I'm a geek, crap like this amazes me...I'm one of the people that preordered a pebble watch from kickstarter)

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Mrcarcrazy

looks like I'll be paying 2200 for premium on my 335i M sport so I can get the comfort access keyless nonsense. I'm not misinterpreting am I? It appears on the ordering info for the 2013 that you have to get Premium, even on a 335 to get the comfort access nonsense? that's one expensive keyless system...

It doesn't look like your misinterpreting, but maybe you're missing what you get for the cost of the premium pkg.
The prem. pkg also INCLUDES leather seats, which are $1450 as a stand alone option.

If you wanted leather in the first place, then the upcharge for the prem pkg is $750. Comfort access used to cost about $500 on it's own.
So, if you were to get leather and comfort access, then you may as well go for the whole prem pkg, as it would only cost $250 more.

When packages get shifted and changed, some will be happy and some will not be happy. You can't please everyone with these packages.

[Ron Scott]

Originally Posted by RPM90

It doesn't look like your misinterpreting, but maybe you're missing what you get for the cost of the premium pkg.
The prem. pkg also INCLUDES leather seats, which are $1450 as a stand alone option.

If you wanted leather in the first place, then the upcharge for the prem pkg is $750. Comfort access used to cost about $500 on it's own.
So, if you were to get leather and comfort access, then you may as well go for the whole prem pkg, as it would only cost $250 more.

When packages get shifted and changed, some will be happy and some will not be happy. You can't please everyone with these packages.

Well stated...

And the converse is also true, i.e., sometimes Packages allow certain buyers to save decent money. In my case I don't like BMW leather but was going to get Premium for the mirrors, garage door, and seats, etc., that are now STD. Now I can drop Premium altogether and save $2,000+. Life is good.

[verbs]

Originally Posted by TrueBlue12

Yes that's what it looks like. The premium package looks like its a lot less useful now.

The downsides from looking through the guides.
1. You are stuck getting BMW assist if you want Nav in any form.
2. You are stuck with split folding rear seats even if you don't want it.
3. If you want the parking cameras you're stuck getting the blind spot detection if you don't want it.

The upside as already stated
1. Xenons without premium
2. Parking package, now DAP without premium
3. Can get Nav without HUD (but is so expensive you might as well)
4. Can get wood in base model for 500
5. Can get wood in sport model for 250

For those of us getting the driver package or whatever it's called that were planning on getting both variable steering and adaptive suspension as standalone options, that package just shaved $200 off our bill. So that's a small bonus for some of us.

On the flip side, we're forced to get Satellite radio now instead of having it as a standalone option.

[verbs]

Originally Posted by RPM90

It doesn't look like your misinterpreting, but maybe you're missing what you get for the cost of the premium pkg.
The prem. pkg also INCLUDES leather seats, which are $1450 as a stand alone option.

If you wanted leather in the first place, then the upcharge for the prem pkg is $750. Comfort access used to cost about $500 on it's own.
So, if you were to get leather and comfort access, then you may as well go for the whole prem pkg, as it would only cost $250 more.

When packages get shifted and changed, some will be happy and some will not be happy. You can't please everyone with these packages.

I thought comfort access was closer to a $1000 option?

[verbs]

Originally Posted by Ron Scott

Trying to think if this or lane departure warning is the last thing we really need in a car.

It's handy if you have two bags of groceries or a kid in your hands.

[kaujong]

Hi newbie here. Where do you see MY 2013 configurations? When is F30 2013 released?

[Mrcarcrazy]

Originally Posted by RPM90

It doesn't look like your misinterpreting, but maybe you're missing what you get for the cost of the premium pkg.
The prem. pkg also INCLUDES leather seats, which are $1450 as a stand alone option.

If you wanted leather in the first place, then the upcharge for the prem pkg is $750. Comfort access used to cost about $500 on it's own.
So, if you were to get leather and comfort access, then you may as well go for the whole prem pkg, as it would only cost $250 more.

When packages get shifted and changed, some will be happy and some will not be happy. You can't please everyone with these packages.

Yeah I figured that out...like I said though...I don't really care...I just enjoy bitching.

[tonmonde]

Originally Posted by TrueBlue12

The downsides from looking through the guides.
2. You are stuck with split folding rear seats even if you don't want it.

Don't really see this as a downside

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

Keyless is very helpful for certain people.

Imagine your wife carrying shopping bags and dragging the kids along to the car parked on a dangerous busy street.

Not having to put down the bags and having to search around in her bag for the keys to quickly put the children into the safety of the car off the street is a very good thing.

While comfort access type systems are certainly useful in situations like this, I think there are also some downsides as noted in John Phillips' humorous column in the June issue of Car & Driver.

[Diver]

I wonder if customers were ordering stripped 328i cars and dealers did not like it. If an ordered car does not have power seats and the customer declines to buy it, that car would probably be hard to sell.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by tonmonde

Don't really see this as a downside

Folding seats suck unless you need the extra cargo space. In order to make the seats fold, they had to get rid of a fairly large cross brace that normally goes behind the rear seats. I'm not going to sit here and try to claim that I can feel a difference in handling as a result, but cars with folding seats seem to pick up squeaks and rattles MUCH more easily. My E90 did not have folding seats but my E82 does (I was stuck with them) and it has an unbelievable amount of rattles coming from the back seat area that my E90 never had.

I'm glad the moonroof still isn't standard, that's another thing I got stuck with on my 1 series and I would way rather have the extra head room. I sit with my power seats all the way down and occasionally if I hit a big bump in the road when I'm not paying attention, I hit my head on the roof.