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The CO2 emission of the 320i is a couple of g/km less, so that it falls in "energy class A" instead of B in Europe. This means your lease price is €75/€125 (25% vs 20%) less per month. BMW is not the only car brand in the world. You have a choice For example, you can buy an American car. But you need to stop at the petrol station a lot more often for a car with the same 1 to 60 time as the 320i Last edited by Mctijn; 02-10-2013 at 12:08 PM.. |
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328 all the way. The price difference in US between the two equally configured cars isn't significant (especially if you're leasing). For the 320 money, you can get a better alternative outside of BMW
I wish BMW brought 330D and/or 335D here instead
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You can also say that you agree with him, without degrading users with other opinions.
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Laden with options isn't what I'd call the 320 I described in my first post, aside from that's what it looks like because the 320 carries fewer things standard than does the 335, which is what I have now. Basically, I agree with you about keeping the options list short on a 3er. My 335 has but sport package, heated seats and leather, the last only because I wanted red seats, not because I mind having leatherette. Quote:
Were I content with just the extras you mentioned, $5200 would be enough of a savings for me to go with the 320i. The only reason I can come up with for why BMW don't do this is CAFE, to which BMW was a supporting party in the 2011 CAFE standards promulgation, so they can't really just ignore it. Even so, I don't understand at all how it is that BMW can spend money to detune the N20, yet sell it for less money than one that hasn't been detuned.
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I'm getting a sense now, having read the POVs of folks outside the US, that the marginal price variance we see, and the regulatory environment we face, are unique to the US. Outside the US, and in Europe it seems that the taxes and fees that come with buying the larger engined car aren't remotely worth it for most folks. And based on the numbers I've seen cited above, I would tend to feel the same way. We US buyers don't have the steep tax burdens t and we don't have the emissions-related surcharges/fees/sin taxes.
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I prefer a less-optioned car, as things like I-drive, leather, heated seats, heated steering wheel (LOL), etc., add nothing to the driving experience (which is what BMW used to tout as the reason to spend 1/3 more money for their cars). BMW has to make the 3-Series as fuel efficient as possible just because of the CAFE regulations in the US. The "economical" 3-Seriers has to counter act all those 550 horsepower X5's and X6's and not to forget the X5M and the X6M (LOL again). Us 3-Series owners get shit on so some people who will pay $100K for a stupid good handling SUV can buy one. Since two out of the three BMWs I've owned I've taken over 200,000 miles, and the third at 154,000 which I take to 250,000, I'm far from a Roundel Badge whore. Just sayin'. Peace. |
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So, I don't pay much attention to people who think driving a car will kill the planet. If one thinks driving a car, with its CO2 exhaust (now labeled a pollutant by the US EPA - even though we humans exhale it too), will kill the planet, then the logical step is to stop driving altogether; not just "reduce" your CO2 output. Just my opinion.
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I also don't really care about all "save the planet bullshit". The environment is better than 20 years ago. We can use this planet for a couple of thousand years more and if it's unusable, we go to Mars
I care about my wallet. I have more expensive hobbies besides my car. If I were an American, I'd buy an 328i without any doubt, but here are the prices and road conditions different. 50% of the time I'm stuck in traffic jams. All 306hps of my 335i begged me to sell my car to someone with empty roads ahead |
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I bought the 320i because its a fantastic car! I didn't need the speed of the 328i the 320i is plenty. And I fully loaded the car with ///M Sport package, 19" wheels, Sunroof, Business Navigation, BiXenons, Mirror package, heated seats. You guys in the states are lucky you don't pay the prices we do downunder ($69k)
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And btw I checked out several BMW sites from the UK, Aus, Poland, etc. While the 320i and the 328i are rated the same for fuel economy, they are not rated the same elsewhere. The city economy is significantly higher for the 320i than the 328i.
Using the American CAFE tracks for city and highway they may score quite similarly, but the other tests give the 320i the edge in economy. In fact, if you look up the the 2012 320i models that have been reviewed the observed mileage is noticeably better than that of 2012 328i's tested. Check out even the EU site for BMW and you'll see that the 320i has a higher average fuel economy over the 328i even as the 328i has a similar extra-urban rating as the 320i. All that being said, for all intents and purposes, there will be a noticeable difference in fuel economy between these two vehicles (especially for people who drive in the city). |
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