[AutobahnDriver]

Originally Posted by JoeyO

I thought all recent 3 series had ZF steering boxes?

They don't. The VSS power steering module is supplied by ThyssenKrupp Presta Steering.

[kral_mzk]

nowadays, really ı hate this problem is solution going to come?????
between 80 and 90 speeds also have chills without pressing the brake,,was balanced, but did not improve..I do not understand what's the problem this car...

S.O.S

[Hayir]

Originally Posted by Hayir

I felt a slight vibration at 50 mph yesterday. The pavement wasn`t smooth so I will try on a smooth pavement again. But I guess I will hav the same problem. Looking at the comments I guess taking it to dealer wouldn`t help.

I checked couple times on a smooth pavement. I didn`t feel any vibrations. Probably it was the pavement causing it.

I have the VSS if it helps.

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by Hayir

I checked couple times on a smooth pavement. I didn`t feel any vibrations. Probably it was the pavement causing it.

I have the VSS if it helps.

its not so much something you feel as its more of a visual vibration.

[T111]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

its not so much something you feel as its more of a visual vibration.

+1

[enriquepetru]

[QUOTE=SmoothSteeringHopeful;12701189]Yes I think overall most of us still love BMWs. Though it was quite difficult for me as this was my first new car purchase, and while signing paperwork I was told it would be fixed. Now when I walk into my dealership all the managers avoid me, and no one wants to deal with me! Granted I lit a couple of them up within a week of the purchase.

I totally agree!!!, in mexico, china and all over the world is the same situation when we already paid for a car no matter the brand, the attention and post-service is not the same when we first walked into the dealership!!!

[Hayir]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

its not so much something you feel as its more of a visual vibration.

That is weird. How is it possible not feel an impulse which vibrates the wheel visibly. Anyways, I will check that too and report the result.

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by Hayir

That is weird. How is it possible not feel an impulse which vibrates the wheel visibly. Anyways, I will check that too and report the result.

You normally feel the road through the wheel. When you take your hands off the wheel it should be dead steady, the F30 wheel shimmys a little, very so slightly.

[Roubs]

In my search for a solution I came across this in another post.
If the rim is not matching the hub diameter this could also cause the steering to vibrate.

BMW just released instructions for service techs.
Ask your dealer to open following link on BMW intranet:

https://pumap.bmwgroup.com/puma/meas...d=52131175&lin


Measure no.
51742297-02
Subject
Steering wheel torsional vibrations/vibrations at speeds of between
60 - 130 km/h
Release date (mm/dd/yy)
9/12/12
Status
Approved
Organization
V4-R1, CAR
Vehicles affected
E series
F20 F21 F30 F31
Engine Body
Production period (from/to)
(mm/dd/yy)
/
Comment on production period
Feedback (all cases relating t
measure up to) (mm/dd/yy)
Complaint
Customer complaints due to wheel-excited steering wheel torsional vibrations between 60-130 km/h.
Cause
Wheel/tyre combination/drive unit flange or wheel bearing
alloy wheel on the wheel hub outside tolerance
Measure
In the event of a customer complaint, work through the following procedure (before starting the procedu
the complete wheel must be tested for tyre pressure and damage):
Note: Check for flat spots. Rim check on balancing machine, max. 0.3 mm
radial run-out. Otherwise, replace the rim.
Please see the notes in the Repair Instructions 3610715.

Check the wheel centring of the light-alloy rim on the wheel hub. To do so, clean the contact surfaces
the wheel hubs and the light-alloy rims, and only slightly tighten the wheels. Using a feeler gauge at the
bottom position (see attachment 1), determine the maximum play. Play of 0.1 mm is still within the
permissible tolerance. Play of 0.15 mm would be outside the permissible tolerance.
If there are tolerance variations, the affected components (wheel bearing/drive unit flange) are to be
measured individually.
Nominal values for wheel bearing/drive unit flange: 72.47 mm - 72.50 mm (calliper gauge measuring
equipment )
If a component is not in the specification, contact technical support.
Have the following data ready.
- Tyre size:
- Tyre manufacturer:
- DOT:
- Rim styling
- Rim manufacturer (on the back)

Hope This Helps

[Btdew]

So it seems that the wheels/rim are outside permissable tolerance, which causes the vibration?

So basicly they need to adjust the rims/wheels whatever so it's a perfect match.

I hope they do an extra check when building new cars so this problem is a thing of the past...

[justinnum1]

I find it hard to beleive its the wheels, its been reported the the vibration is there on like 100+ cars and 4+ different wheel styles.

[rado]

According to the pasted BMW instructions, if they see excess clearance, they are pointing their finger at the hub ("wheel bearing/drive unit flange") as being out of tolerance, *not the wheel*. So different wheel styles, swapping wheels, etc, will make no difference. This is unfortunate, because swapping wheels would be easier than swapping hub assemblies. But hopefully it is an effective fix for the subject cars.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by rado

According to the pasted BMW instructions, if they see excess clearance, they are pointing their finger at the hub ("wheel bearing/drive unit flange") as being out of tolerance, *not the wheel*. So different wheel styles, swapping wheels, etc, will make no difference. This is unfortunate, because swapping wheels would be easier than swapping hub assemblies. But hopefully it is an effective fix for the subject cars.

Think you need to read it again...it says check wheel rims for flat spot and 0.3mm radial run out.

[jpa74]

Originally Posted by Btdew

So it seems that the wheels/rim are outside permissable tolerance, which causes the vibration?

So basicly they need to adjust the rims/wheels whatever so it's a perfect match.

I hope they do an extra check when building new cars so this problem is a thing of the past...

This makes sense to me. I had the vibration issue fixed by my dealer. And they did exactly this. They checked the wheels/rims and found that one was outside tolerance.

No vibration afterwards and 5000+ miles.

[rado]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Think you need to read it again...it says check wheel rims for flat spot and 0.3mm radial run out.

Hmm, I think it says measure both. I'm interpreting "wheel bearing/drive unit flange" to be the hub assembly (where the bearing resides), but I suppose it could be referring to the central part of the wheel

[T111]

Lets get some reports back on if this fixes the issue or not! If it does we all now know how to get our cars to 100%!

[Sauveur]

I have a 2013 F30 328 xi. No issues with vibration or ac noise. Car is suberb.

[T111]

I was referring more to folks who have the issue and who are going to take their cars in. I know I'm going to!

[justinnum1]

I wouldnt even bother taking my car in until there is an official fix. I only took my car in once like 2 weeks after i got it in feb, then i bitched last month and they ended up letting me replacing it.

[T111]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

I wouldnt even bother taking my car in until there is an official fix. I only took my car in once like 2 weeks after i got it in feb, then i bitched last month and they ended up letting me replacing it.

Did you read the whole thread? There is a service bulletin BMW issued on the 12th of this month, it appears to be to fix the wheel vib.

[justinnum1]

Originally Posted by T111

Did you read the whole thread? There is a service bulletin BMW issued on the 12th of this month, it appears to be to fix the wheel vib.

I saw that service bulletin but find it hard to believe its a wheel problem. I think its related to the steering box and so does the shop foreman at my dealer. Interested in seeing if that fixes the issue.

[T111]

Originally Posted by justinnum1

I saw that service bulletin but find it hard to believe its a wheel problem. I think its related to the steering box and so does the shop foreman at my dealer. Interested in seeing if that fixes the issue.

I hope it fixes it as well. I don't see why BMW would issue it if it didn't fix the issue. I think that'd make owners even more annoyed that they issued a bulletin that does nothing. Manufacturing issues happen all the time, its not that unthinkable that it could be a rim or hub issue, but as you said we'll see it if fixes it.

Originally Posted by jpa74

This makes sense to me. I had the vibration issue fixed by my dealer. And they did exactly this. They checked the wheels/rims and found that one was outside tolerance.

No vibration afterwards and 5000+ miles.