[SamS]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Understood about what it's possible to get. However, I was relating what I expect to get with the exact same driving style. If it's 32mpg, I would be surprised, given the numbers on Fuelly.

You should still expect to get 30mpg for an F30 335i for 80/20 hwy/city, as long as you're driving at reasonable speeds.

Like I said, the AH3 and F30 335i should return about the same hwy mpg, and I can get 31+ on a highway trip, no problem.

I took a quick look at the Fuelly data for the F30 335i, and it's a little jacked. Someone has their AH3 in there, and someone else has 122mpg! Others don't break out city vs. highway percentages.

Three things support my conclusion that an F30 335i can get ~20% better mpg than your car:

1) Reported hwy mpg from people here (although the OBC overestimates 5-10%)
2) My car is very close (technically) to a 335i when cruising down the highway. More weight in AH3 offset by different final gear ratios and extremely limited use of battery power.
3) EPA estimates. BMW has provided some very realistic EPA mpg estimates for it's cars lately, and the 335i with 8HP is rated at 33mpg hwy.

[Rover]

2013 328i....350 miles on the car.

Getting 27.5 around town...75% side streets...25% urban interstate.

Drove it today (not aggressively) mostly on interstate (80-85%) at 80 mph and got 37 mpg....150 mile trip.

[Rover]

Originally Posted by Kimo7

I had a 2013 328xi as an loaner for 5 days and I was really dissappointed at the mpg....i was only getting at tops 18 driving like a grandma. i can get 31 with my 2011 335xi.

Something was wrong here. See above.

[BMWinGE]

I guess I misunderstood your response . You quoted me saying there isn't a lot of objective data (sales, reviews, awards, etc) that backs up that the 328i is inferior to the 335i as some owners on here try to make it seem.

Since you responded with "None of these cars are inferior to each other, they just serve different purposes. And we do have plenty of data. We don't need BMW to confirm what is an obvious observation. I assumed you were still talking about all the points, and not just sales. If not, my mistake.

I think you are still wrong in your comparison of the 335i sales to the 1M. I can go at anytime and order a 335i. However, everything I've seen states the 1M was limited from the start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1_Series_(E87)

what do you have different?

Originally Posted by SamS

WTF are you talking about man. Read my post again.

"We don't need BMW to confirm what is an obvious observation" is a comment about sales volume percentages, 328i to 335i.

And the 1M reference was to refute your assumption that as long as demand (either 335i, or in my example the 1M) then BMW will build more. That is not the case.

[venkata]

I have a 2013 320D M Sport, had it a week today and from a full tank of fuel, have under a quarter left. done just over 400 miles and approx 100 miles of fuel left.

The car is reporting 44mpg. Considering its the 1st week and a heavy foot on the accelerator, I'm very pleased. I would say half has been motorway driving and the other half city driving...

[BMWinGE]

Originally Posted by Rover

2013 328i....350 miles on the car.

Getting 27.5 around town...75% side streets...25% urban interstate.

Drove it today (not aggressively) mostly on interstate (80-85%) at 80 mph and got 37 mpg....150 mile trip.

This is pretty much the same as my avg over the last 13 months. The only difference being when Im on the highway, my speeds are in normally in excess of 100 mph.

[SamS]

Getting off topic here, but here's the scoop..

Originally Posted by 328inGE

I think you are still wrong in your comparison of the 335i sales to the 1M. I can go at anytime and order a 335i. However, everything I've seen states the 1M was limited from the start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_1_Series_(E87)

what do you have different?

I'm very familiar with the 1M situation. I had one on order/deposit for 6+ months before ultimately switch over to an M3.

The "limited" availability of the 335i and 1M are comparable in my example. In 2011, BMW decided to build ~100/month MY2012 1M cars for North America. Even though demand was obviously higher, that's what they scheduled for production and allocated. Dealers got just a few allocations a month. If they wanted more, too bad.

Same with the 335i. BMW has decided to build 300 (????? rough guess on my part) of the MY2013 F30 335i per month. That's what they scheduled for production and allocated. Dealers get just a few allocations a month. If they want more, too bad.

Obviously the difference is that the 335i will continue for several more model years, and demand will fall. But to state that BMW can just "build more" 335i based on demand is not accurate. They've decided to make substantially more 328i cars for whatever reason, so you if you really want a 335i (especially one made in Germany), you're going to have to get lucky. With a 328i, production is beyond plentiful.

You say you can go and "order a 335i at any time". This may be true, but that doesn't mean you'll get one any time soon. Same with the 1M. You could have ordered one at any time, but that didn't mean your dealer had an allocation slot for it. I'm not comparing that the 1M and 335i are similarly limited in overall production numbers, rather that they both have limited production and availability.

[BMWinGE]

I think maybe that your experience or perspective is based on dealer allocations, so in that sense i guess maybe it is limited for you. for me it doesn't matter, I get a production number/spot and it doesn't matter if its a 328 or 335, etc. as far as I know my dealer could sell nothing but 335, so that tells me it is not a limited production as in the 1M. I would bet you would find the same if you doing a European delivery since that does not come from the dealer allocations.

[n55x3]

I agree with the limited availability of the 335i here in the states as my experience forced me to wait almost 60 days to get a RWD 335i build slot. During that 60 days I tried every way possible to get another dealer to trade build slots with my dealer yet none were willing to trade. They all said it was very challenging to get a 335i build slot. This was in Jan/Feb of this year so maybe things will change. Who knows.

Concerning the relationship to the 1M, I would agree that the 1M was not really restricted in the same capacity as the 335i is now. Maybe you can put it this way: 1M build slot was nearly impossible to get a hold of while a 335i build slot is extremely difficult to get.

[antothaman]

Hi everyone, just registered on the forum here so I'd like to add my MPG too.
2013 328xi, 3900 miles on the odometer, 70-75% highway on cruise control 70-75mph eco pro 99% of the time, average 28.7 mpg. City driving is in Queens, NY so that takes the number down a bit.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by SamS

You should still expect to get 30mpg for an F30 335i for 80/20 hwy/city, as long as you're driving at reasonable speeds.

3) EPA estimates. BMW has provided some very realistic EPA mpg estimates for it's cars lately, and the 335i with 8HP is rated at 33mpg hwy.

I concur. I surpass the EPA city estimates because I see no need to gun it when I know I can't go far/fast. So my city is around 25. My highway can vary from 31-35 depending on how I'm driving. Drive like a slow poke and 35+ can be seen, drive near triple digits and I'm hovering around 30.

Also, make sure your tires have appropriate air in them. That actually makes a difference in mpg. Seems obvious, but I always forget and over time the difference is readily seen.

[Rhinozeroone]

I apologize for us jacking this thread but I'm curious about the 335 shortage. I ordered mine on Feb 15 and the car is now waiting for a boat.

[CRtoE92]

[Roki_014]

Originally Posted by tdizzle

I concur. I surpass the EPA city estimates because I see no need to gun it when I know I can't go far/fast. So my city is around 25. My highway can vary from 31-35 depending on how I'm driving. Drive like a slow poke and 35+ can be seen, drive near triple digits and I'm hovering around 30.

Also, make sure your tires have appropriate air in them. That actually makes a difference in mpg. Seems obvious, but I always forget and over time the difference is readily seen.

what pressure are you running, and what size, i have 19s and my average is under 22mpg

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by Roki_014

what pressure are you running, and what size, i have 19s and my average is under 22mpg

Summer 19's on the stock sportline wheel (for now). I'm running either factory spec or a couple psi higher. I forget the exact number but high 30's seems to stick out. I think 36 front and 38 rear if I remember correctly.

Not sure how long I ran low, but I checked about a month ago and they got down to 30psi on all 4... Basically, I need to check the air in my tires more often.

[dpwr]

31miles? lol... go drive for over 500 miles in day to day conditions and come back with a screen.. resetting stats and rolling on a highway for 10min is not how you measure mpg

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

[SamS]

Originally Posted by dpwr

31miles? lol... go drive for over 500 miles in day to day conditions and come back with a screen.. resetting stats and rolling on a highway for 10min is not how you measure mpg

+1.

And forget the OBC, it's generous by 5-10% vs. a pump calculation.

[Rover]

Originally Posted by Rhinozeroone

I apologize for us jacking this thread but I'm curious about the 335 shortage. I ordered mine on Feb 15 and the car is now waiting for a boat.

Order date is not as important...as is production date. Your dealer will know production date.

Are you getting your production/shipping info from the bmw phone/web site? It is delayed info by several days. Your dealer can get you more current status info.

Mine seemed to set on the dock for several days....maybe it takes that long to get a full compliment of cars to fill the ship....and then there is the time it takes to load and secure several hundred cars on the ship.

[Bmwusa-f36]

i'm driving 52 miles round trip to work. with my 09 328 ixdrive e92 i usually get 25mpg to work and 26mpg home, yesterday and today i took the F30 loaner 328 ixdrive for the same drive, 33mpg to work, 36mpg home. definitely a difference. but i still love my E92.

[jdong]

Originally Posted by SamS

+1.

And forget the OBC, it's generous by 5-10% vs. a pump calculation.

Totally agreed. It has been consistently optimistic by 2-3mpg for me

[34.50]

I don't drive a whole lot - my work is only 1/4 mile (I wish I had a dragstrip to work lol) away from my home. I went for a drive on back roads, speeds 35-55 mph, and achieved 32.8 MPG in comfort mode. Not bad for a 335xi - I should've used eco-pro

[zenmaster]

FWIW, getting around 450mi for last two tanks now on "ECO pro", which works out to be right at 30mpg. Not bad for 4000lbs. The BMW mileage computer *always* calculates something like 31.5mpg, which is incorrect. Apparently the car simply can't accurately measure fuel usage and/or distance traveled. For reference, my '10 335i was doing 23-24mpg per tank for same trip and driving style.