03-21-2012, 08:09 AM | #89 |
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Mine does exactly what 'they'say. 23MPG (US) combined afeter driving 1300 miles so far. More or less the same my F10 535i 8AT did combined. I guess after a few thousand miles more the thing will get closer to 23.5/24MPG
Point is, I don't care, having had 2 M3's (E46 & E90) before. Maybe some of you guys just want to have it all: A >240HP turbo engine which will blast almost any car out of its way AND very high MPG. In my book pigs cannot fly. Priuses can't either. |
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Step two for BMW will be to reflash the N20 to drop output and improve mileage. These engines were underated as far as HP and TQ anyway. Whether that's good or not is highly subjective.
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03-21-2012, 08:38 AM | #92 |
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All I can add is that all my new BMWs had a 20% fuel efficiency increase after 20,000 miles. So, before you get too excited about this, try out a fully broken in car 1st.
Yeah.. and once again, get rid of that dumb stop/start feature (this will have to be my signature).
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Honestly, I'm not too surprised at the drop in the F30's EPA numbers. The original numbers matched those of the diesel, and based on the reports in the "Real world mpg" thread, that just is not the case in real life conditions. Still, i don't think it's anything much to get worked up over. If you enjoy the car and it makes you smile, that's all that matters. |
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03-21-2012, 08:49 AM | #94 | |
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The thing is, no enthusiast is stupid enough to expect to get the advertised fuel economy figures in real world driving. But 23 US mpg is NINTEEN UK mpg while BMW advertises 44 UK mpg. Such a huge differential, even with a heavy right foot, is nothing short of scandalous IMO. |
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03-21-2012, 09:04 AM | #95 |
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LOL, Fair enough, I didn't mention petrol/gasoline, my bad. Anyway the price for a 335d E90 was a tad higher than a 335i E90. I remember the new F10 535d being 7000 euros(!) more expensive here in Holland than the F10 535i.
In theory: IF ANY F30 335d comes out in the future it will be 15,000 euros more expensive in Holland than a 328i F30 to start with, I reckon.... @Feanor, I understand, I don't want to offend any of you/us guys. But with high power output and fast accelleration comes some sacrifice in MPG I guess. But BMW has to step up and do what they must do. |
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My 2007 335i can get 33.x with the cruise set at 62 mph, I'm sure the new 328 can do 36 mpg, just probably not according to the test standards, in which BMW got busted.
The EPA only verifies 10-15% of the vehicles, so BMW could chalk it up to bad luck. Although it's BMW, they're a high profile / big profit car, advertising 36 helps sales. What I think is disgraceful is the EPA salary range is 105-136 to work there, and you don't even need a bachelor's degree. |
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That is an interesting point. There has been a lot of talk about how close in performance the 328i and the 335i are. Many have speculated that this means that the 335i performance will be boosted with a new engine. Let's hope it doesn't mean that the N20 loses power instead.
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I don't have a bachelor degree and my salary is way higher than that, shall I feel bad about that?
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I wonder how many cars BMW will have sold with the old EPA numbers.
Off in the distance, I hear the thunder of a thousand lawyers preparing for battle....
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Why? What the EPA says, goes. They only test 10-15%. You know that mfgs. are literally banking on that. So they got caught.
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Many people are getting too paranoid, if BMW got 36mpg then I am sure you can achieve that.
In ALL my cars I actually beat stickered MPG ratings so I wouldn't worry so much.
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With the original numbers, the 328i only had a $200 per year advantage over the 335i in fuel cost. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find....32175&id=32177 Keep in mind the 335i numbers might change too, but both cars will still be within just a couple hundred dollars of each other for annual fuel cost. You're probably saving more than that on insurance for the 328 vs 335.
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I'm thinking there will be some sort of class action against BMW; exactly for the reason you stated. They will make the case that BMW knowingly inflated their MPG numbers. Many customers already purchased their cars.
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All the EPA numbers are good for are making relative comparisons between cars.
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The EPA does their own tests on a chassis dyno with a dyno trace cycle that is called the ftp cycle blended in with a another more higher speed cycle. Humans drive these cycles so driver variation plays a BIG toll on this. Some manufacturers request certain drivers because of their driving style when the vehicle is tested..
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And if BMW offers this reflash to owners of existing F30 328's, they probably won't have many takers.
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