[trusaleen1]

Hi everyone, I have a real dilema, looking to do Euro delivery on the new 4 series but I keep going back and forth. I have a some what range I want to stay in on a lease. What is everyone's opinion? (Previously owned 335 and 335is Coupes, I have NOT driven the new N20 engine in the 428)

Either:
428- M-Sport, Premium Package, Heated Seat, Premium Sound OR (MSRP 48500)

435- Sport Package, Dakota Leather, Premium Sound (MSRP 50,950)

Im not really interested in any other packages.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Very simple.

Go drive a 328 and 335. Focus on the drivetrain, and not other equipment.

If you can live with the N20, great-save a bit of money and or option the 428 higher. If you are greatly turned off by the performance and or sound compared to the N55, then go with the 435.

[LAnderson23]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Very simple.

Go drive a 328 and 335. Focus on the drivetrain, and not other equipment.

If you can live with the N20, great-save a bit of money and or option the 428 higher. If you are greatly turned off by the performance and or sound compared to the N55, then go with the 435.

+1 There have been a million threads of 328 v 335 and this is no different. Ultimately, it comes down to your personal preference.

[trusaleen1]

Thanks guys, that was my plan. Looks like thats what my weekend will consist of

[Dan_335i]

your title is saying which one is better?
435i will destroy the 428i in every part except for miles per gallon.

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by Dan_335i

your title is saying which one is better?
435i will destroy the 428i in every part except for miles per gallon.

As well as the bank account.

If you really need the .8 seconds faster 0-60, go for the 335.

If you can deal without that and want better MPG and more cash at the end of every month, then the 328 is the way to go.

[64-bit]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Very simple.

Go drive a 328 and 335. Focus on the drivetrain, and not other equipment.

If you can live with the N20, great-save a bit of money and or option the 428 higher. If you are greatly turned off by the performance and or sound compared to the N55, then go with the 435.

+1

[64-bit]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

As well as the bank account.

If you really need the .8 seconds faster 0-60, go for the 335.

If you can deal without that and want better MPG and more cash at the end of every month, then the 328 is the way to go.

Diesel cars bugs me even when I'm watching European movies, it sucks and I could not live with that, the 328 sounds very close from a diesel engine.

BMWs are getting more and more expensive, on every new model there is a price jump of 3 - 4K, and every year they find a way to add another $500 - $1000, so I do not see myself buying another brand new 335i with M-Sport that soon, I made my decision on the 335 and I'm happy with it for a lonnnngg time.

Guys in about 5 years we may see the base 335i starting at $55K if BMW keeps bumping their price like this

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

Diesel cars bugs me even when I'm watching European movies, it sucks and I could not live with that, the 328 sounds very close from a diesel engine.

BMWs are getting more and more expensive, on every new model there is a price jump of 3 - 4K, and every year they find a way to add another $500 - $1000, so I do not see myself buying another brand new 335i with M-Sport that soon, I made my decision on the 335 and I'm happy with it for a lonnnngg time.

Guys in about 5 years we may see the base 335i starting at $55K if BMW keeps bumping their price like this

But also the 3 series has grown a lot. I believe the F30 is about 6 inches longer and 2 inches wider than the E46, while the 328 makes 240 HP versus the 180 HP of the 325, while being just as "light". Also that's how inflation works unfortunately.

[BMWFanatic2008]

For me, MSport package is a MUST on F30/2 regardless of which engine you choose. So no matter whether you go with 428 or 435, get the MSport.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

Guys in about 5 years we may see the base 335i starting at $55K if BMW keeps bumping their price like this

Welcome to inflation.

In 1973 my fully loaded Cadillac Eldorado had a window sticker of $3600.

$3600! That's a down payment on a house!

If you have a child today, expect that child to pay $100k for a 3 series by the time they graduate college. Oh and their college tuition will most likely cost close to $1 million dollars.

That is if our world economy doesn't crumble back to the stone age before then...

Better ask your boss for a raise.

[BmwFlooner]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

If you really need the .8 seconds faster 0-60, go for the 335.

Really?

You don't pick the 335 because you want to make up an additional '0.8 seconds' over the 328 in 0-60 time trials nobody cares about in the real world. You pick it because you prefer the way it sounds, or just want an i6, or you can feel the extra power, or whatever floats your boat about it - it speaks to you.

So to the OP: Drive both, and see which speaks to you.

[64-bit]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

Welcome to inflation.

In 1973 my fully loaded Cadillac Eldorado had a window sticker of $3600.

$3600! That's a down payment on a house!

If you have a child today, expect that child to pay $100k for a 3 series by the time they graduate college. Oh and their college tuition will most likely cost close to $1 million dollars.

That is if our world economy doesn't crumble back to the stone age before then...

Better ask your boss for a raise.

I make decent money, and I only financed the minimum at BMW due the $1000 rebate, as I could have paid the car cash
The problem is, the car is not worth that much, does not have the same driving experience as my E90 335i, and it depreciates like nothing else.

I'm just sad with BMW

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

Diesel cars bugs me even when I'm watching European movies, it sucks and I could not live with that, the 328 sounds very close from a diesel engine.

I have lived with the N20 328 for nearly a year now.

The sounding like a diesel thing...I dunno. I only hear it when I first start it in the garage. Once the car is warmed up, I hear NOTHING. Now that it's broken in, I am often at lights where I can't even tell if the car is running(I have ASS off).

Now if it sounded the way it did in my garage at cold idle-ALL the time, always sounding like a diesel-yeah it would be lame.

But take it from someone living with the car and not on a test drive, it's diesel sound is very insignificant in daily driving.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by 64-bit

I make decent money, and I only financed the minimum at BMW due the $1000 rebate, as I could have paid the car cash
The problem is, the car is not worth that much, does not have the same driving experience as my E90 335i, and it depreciates like nothing else.

I'm just sad with BMW

Bitter sweet emotion... In Europe a 335i is already considered to be an exuberant overkill that is entirely misplaced. We would have the same discussions about the 318d vs 320d.

The 328i is still on the edge of abundancy, but when you remove the badge and tell everybody it's a 'plain' 2-liter engine and only used for the local commutes between home and school, you won't see your friends abandoning you... at least not immediately!

Sometimes I would really like to live in the US.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Very simple.

Go drive a 328 and 335. Focus on the drivetrain, and not other equipment.

If you can live with the N20, great-save a bit of money and or option the 428 higher. If you are greatly turned off by the performance and or sound compared to the N55, then go with the 435.

Agree, but don't forget the lighter front end with an N20. Love the front/mid mounted crispy turn in!

[trusaleen1]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

I have lived with the N20 328 for nearly a year now.

The sounding like a diesel thing...I dunno. I only hear it when I first start it in the garage. Once the car is warmed up, I hear NOTHING. Now that it's broken in, I am often at lights where I can't even tell if the car is running(I have ASS off).

Now if it sounded the way it did in my garage at cold idle-ALL the time, always sounding like a diesel-yeah it would be lame.

But take it from someone living with the car and not on a test drive, it's diesel sound is very insignificant in daily driving.

That's one of my concerns about the 328, the sound. This helps me though and then I figure they will make an M-sport exhaust in the near future.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

I have lived with the N20 328 for nearly a year now.

The sounding like a diesel thing...I dunno. I only hear it when I first start it in the garage. Once the car is warmed up, I hear NOTHING. Now that it's broken in, I am often at lights where I can't even tell if the car is running(I have ASS off).

That is 100% my experience too UNTIL....I got an M Performance exhaust. Now, not only can I hear it, I actually LIKE the way it sounds because I surely didn't before!

[Pauleebe]

Originally Posted by BmwFlooner

Really?

You don't pick the 335 because you want to make up an additional '0.8 seconds' over the 328 in 0-60 time trials nobody cares about in the real world. You pick it because you prefer the way it sounds, or just want an i6, or you can feel the extra power, or whatever floats your boat about it - it speaks to you.

So to the OP: Drive both, and see which speaks to you.

That was mainly my point, I was being facetious.

Point is, performance wise, aside from a straight line, the gap between the higher powered and lowered powered engine of the 3 series is smaller than ever.

I mean, if that extra $100-200 monthly payment is worth the sound, then go for it. 335 sounds nothing like the M3, so it's all relative.

[SPACEMANRICK]

Yes it is all relative and a compromise........ gas mileage, power, sound, weight etc. The M3 sounds ferocious at full throttle but many M3 drivers are averaging 16 to 17 litres per 100 km, I am now averaging about 10.5 litres per 100 km in my 335 xdrive and I assume many 328 drivers are averaging about 8 to 9 litres per 100 km.

[BmwFlooner]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

That was mainly my point, I was being facetious.

I suspected, but sarcasm is hard to decipher in posts.

Also, it's not hard to believe that mentioned as a serious point here...

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by dwalls90

But also the 3 series has grown a lot. I believe the F30 is about 6 inches longer and 2 inches wider than the E46, while the 328 makes 240 HP versus the 180 HP of the 325, while being just as "light". Also that's how inflation works unfortunately.

I'm not sure where you're getting that "information" from, but it's not true.
The F30 328i is not as light as the E46 325i, not at all.
And, the F30 328i is actually heavier than the E90 328i.

Early on BMW marketed the F30 as being bigger, but also lighter than the E90.
Well, that only holds true for the 335i versions, when comparing
F30 to E90.

BMW marketing was sort of misleading with that claim.
The F30 335i is a bit lighter than the E90 335i, but BMW sells a LOT more 328i's compared to 335i's.
The 3 series is BMW's bread and butter car, and the 328i is the major chunk of that snack.
So even though BMW knows that the 328i variant will greatly outsell the 335i, they chose to highlight and market the 335i's weight as being lower compared to the E90, but they left that little detail out of th marketing hype.
Conveniently.