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      07-08-2013, 06:24 AM   #23
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NOOOO, what makes a BMW is RWD with near perfect weight distribution. Porsche, Ferrari etc
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No I'll stick with just rear wheel drive as a BMW should be, have no interest in Xdrive
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      07-08-2013, 07:43 AM   #25
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During the weekend just gone by, I drove an F30 320d xDrive M Sport with Adaptive Suspension. In Comfort mode, the car rolled a bit more than my sDrive car when cornering and it also was a bit roll-y poll-y when there was a sudden change in direction. In Sport mode, things were much improved and I felt this mode suited this xDrive car when cornering etc. The ride was also pretty good in Sport mode.

But, none of the above would put me off having xDrive if the car is the 335d xDrive (no choice of Drive, but what an engine!). With other F30 models, I'd go sDrive as there is a choice.
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During the weekend just gone by, I drove an F30 320d xDrive M Sport with Adaptive Suspension. In Comfort mode, the car rolled a bit more than my sDrive car when cornering and it also was a bit roll-y poll-y when there was a sudden change in direction. In Sport mode, things were much improved and I felt this mode suited this xDrive car when cornering etc. The ride was also pretty good in Sport mode.

But, none of the above would put me off having xDrive if car is the 335d xDrive (no choice of Drive, but what an engine!). With other F30 models, I'd go sDrive as there is a choice.
It's nice to actually read an opinion on xDrive from someone that HAS actually tried one with Adaptive (which is quite hard as there are so few around - took me a while to track one down). I completely agree with what you said and I think the Sport mode was pretty good.

This debate will go on for ever and there is no right answer as everyone has an opinion - the only thing that hacks me off is people voicing their thoughts of how an adaptive xDrive handles without even driving one.

Was not willing to order the 335d until I'd driven xDrive with adaptive. After I did, straight away handled over a deposit knowing it would be fine.
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      07-08-2013, 08:34 AM   #27
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With the 335d the engine is the deal maker. No doubt. It needs the xDrive for traction. No doubt. My 330d sDrive sometimes spins its rear wheels when I give it a bit of welly in dry conditions. It's like a spin dryer in wet greasy conditions.
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      07-08-2013, 08:59 AM   #28
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With the 335d the engine is the deal maker. No doubt. It needs the xDrive for traction. No doubt. My 330d sDrive sometimes spins its rear wheels when I give it a bit of welly in dry conditions. It's like a spin dryer in wet greasy conditions.
I'm glad you said that as I felt exactly the same when I borrowed a 330d sDrive for two days (admittedly in horrendous weather). Only had to sneeze for the little light to come on - huge torque at low revs no doubt. Crappy road surfaces around us didn't help it. I am sure in ideal conditions it's an absolute cracker though (didn't stop hacking it down the week I had 3 cars to try).

If we lived in a dry climate, I'd choose the 330d sDrive with PPK I think.
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With the 335d the engine is the deal maker. No doubt. It needs the xDrive for traction. No doubt. My 330d sDrive sometimes spins its rear wheels when I give it a bit of welly in dry conditions. It's like a spin dryer in wet greasy conditions.
Really? there are plenty of cars with more power and are still rwd. What makes the 335d more special? Anyway this all becomes academic when the s drive 335d is released - then there will be choice innit?
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      07-08-2013, 10:13 AM   #30
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Really? there are plenty of cars with more power and are still rwd. What makes the 335d more special? Anyway this all becomes academic when the s drive 335d is released - then there will be choice innit?
Comes down to what you want. I'd like to be able to use the power in shitty conditions. As you say there are loads of rwd cars out there with seriously greater power. Half the challenge in driving the ones without electronic assistance is in dealing with that power but you're always aware of the limits in traction when it's damp. For day to day use, personally (and this is just my opinion) I'd rather have more traction for my workhorse. On the other hand, my Exige (with heavily worked s/charged Honda lump putting out just shy of 325bhp at the wheels) is a 'challenge' that I enjoy except in anything other than nice conditions when it is plain overpowered, hard work and the right foot goes into traction control mode. Good fun in good conditions though

Think a 335d sdrive would be a cracker if they ever decide to make it..
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Comes down to what you want. I'd like to be able to use the power in shitty conditions. ...
Yeah - I see your point - many have been making similar ones. I wonder if there are any special 'wet' tyres for our weather...

I re-read the thread title and OP again and it's funny to read it another way:

"Would you take a free option where someone added 100kg to your car, raised the suspension by 1cm and for most of 'spirited' driving ensured 100% power never reaches any 1 axle...?"

I would be interested to drive an x drive to really see whether it still captures the bmw essence of rwd and weight distro. But as things stand I don't have any impetus to consider x drive unless I really lived in some hill villages and had very poor roads.
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      07-08-2013, 10:38 AM   #32
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Maybe the 330d sDrive needs a Quaife LSD more than the PPK.
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      07-08-2013, 10:40 AM   #33
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There's no question it is rear wheel biased going on my 'playing' with demo in the wet. It's most definitely not like previous VAG 4wd cars I've had which were woefully front biased (the only exception was the RS4). Actually the R32 I had was transformed by a little gizmo I bought that applied up to 75% of power to rears - totally different after that and in many ways felt similar to the 330d xdrive demo I had. Was pleasantly surprised at how uncorrupted steering was.

BUT and it's a big BUT, there is more weight, it does ride higher and powers not only the rear wheels. Which won't (as we have already discovered through countless posts) be for everyone. Doesn't make it a bad car.

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      07-08-2013, 11:34 AM   #34
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There's no question it is rear wheel biased going on my 'playing' with demo in the wet.
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Indeed. In the dry, in the wet, low speed and high speed there is no question most of the power is coming from the rear. I imagine the feeling is even more apparent on the 330
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X Drive should be banished from the option list!!!

Just kidding...but no. I don't ski, don't live where it snows. RWD for me.
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      07-08-2013, 01:02 PM   #36
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During the weekend just gone by, I drove an F30 320d xDrive M Sport with Adaptive Suspension. In Comfort mode, the car rolled a bit more than my sDrive car when cornering and it also was a bit roll-y poll-y when there was a sudden change in direction. In Sport mode, things were much improved and I felt this mode suited this xDrive car when cornering etc. The ride was also pretty good in Sport mode.

But, none of the above would put me off having xDrive if car is the 335d xDrive (no choice of Drive, but what an engine!). With other F30 models, I'd go sDrive as there is a choice.
Cheers for this... I've got all the quote for the 335d today and when compared to the 330d, a 335d with adaptive is 30/month more, so all being well, I'll be placing my order tomorrow

My better half is keen on an A4 avant black edition, so that can do all the dirty work
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Cheers for this... I've got all the quote for the 335d today and when compared to the 330d, a 335d with adaptive is 30/month more, so all being well, I'll be placing my order tomorrow

My better half is keen on an A4 avant black edition, so that can do all the dirty work
Great car, the 335d xDrive. I wonder if it will also spin its wheels in damp greasy conditions. I presume it will just LURCH forwards due to xDrive.
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...Would you pick it over RWD?

I'm considering the 335d xdrive over a 330d which could be fitted with the ppk but its almost cheaper the by the 335d and with the increased residuals it is cheaper on the select deals. I was originally looking at an F31, but I've decided that we will change our mini for a 1 series so it can do the more practical stuff meaning I can get the saloon

So if the xdrive wasn't any extra, would you take it over RWD?

NOPE i would not.
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NOPE i would not.
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NOPE i would not.
The draw of the 313 engine is strong!... I'll maybe need to get that M3 to make sure I still have a true BMW
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The draw of the 313 engine is strong!... I'll maybe need to get that M3 to make sure I still have a true BMW
@Ian: Don't worry, you'll have a true BMW as it's made by BMW! It'll be a flyer and economical to boot. Lucky sod and congratulations.

BTW, what colour combo? Be brave with this.
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With the 335d the engine is the deal maker. No doubt. It needs the xDrive for traction. No doubt. My 330d sDrive sometimes spins its rear wheels when I give it a bit of welly in dry conditions. It's like a spin dryer in wet greasy conditions.
But a 335i doesn't? Getting like Audi; anything over 10 Lb/ft of torque and it needs quattro...

TDI TTs get quattro but a 210PS TFSI doesn't - stupid (yet the old mark I with 180PS did).
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@Ian: Don't worry, you'll have a true BMW as it's made by BMW! It'll be a flyer and economical to boot. Lucky sod and congratulations.

BTW, what colour combo? Be brave with this.
Cheers... it's not going to be too testing on the colour choice. Was going to be white, however the the is a strong desire for EB by the other half which is hard to argue with when you're looking at cars in perfect weather conditions, so spec will likely be:

Estoril Blue
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Winter 18's

Might also be tempted by the M performance bodykit and wheels.

All that for 475/month
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@Ian:
Great spec and a very, very good monthly it would seem. You did well.

A friend of mine wishes to lease a 335d. Did you get this deal through BMW or through a Lease Company? What sort of deposit was required and how many years is the payment period. Hope I'm not being too nosey.
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