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I will confirm that the ATS 2.0 is no where near faster then the 328. We just went through extensive test drives of the 328 and ATS 2.0 back to back with my fiance. She did not like the drivetrain of the ATS at all, neither did I. Although I think it could be the transmission that lets it down more then the engine, its awful where the 328's trans really shines.
The 3.6 was closer in performance to the 328, it was faster but barely considering how much power it has, a 335 will make it look silly though.
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The ATS was my favourite car when it came to steering and suspension when cross shopping the 328 x-drive, ATS 4wd and the A4. My wife also found in terms of driving it was:
ATS > 328 >A4 The rear seat room and trunk on the ATS completely knocked it out of contention for me. It may sound silly but I play hockey as a goalie and there was zero chance of my bag fitting in the trunk unless I folded the rear seats. Considering I play at least once a week year round I needed a car that it could fit in without any need to fold the seats. In the end the 328 was our overall favourite car because of the way it combined exterior/interior appearance, engine, transmission and driving dynamics (specially when in Sport) and that's why it's in my garage. |
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I personally found the ATS seats really hard and not too comfortable. Also, the engine noise in the ATS may be nicer than the engine noise int he 328i which is terrible, but it ATS' noise is so intrusive that it would be hard to live with. It's like someone at GM said "driving enthusiasts like to hear the engine, so let's not put any sound insulation at all between the engine and the dabin, they'll love it!" I only drove the ATS 3.6 but I admit I was actually started by the noise when I gave the engine just a bit of throttle. There is no doubt that the ATS suspension and steering are magnificent, and it is a good car, and I think a reasonable, unpretentious person should buy the best car regardless of logo. However, as the reviewer said, at this point in time, the BMW is still the better all-rounf car. But it's really close. Last edited by jtuds; 03-07-2013 at 08:59 AM.. |
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It's not UNIONS that are the problem, it's WHICH union. In Germany unions aren't the destructive entity that they are in France and to a lesser extent in the US. If you think UAW is bad come check out the CGT in France Bring a gun with you.
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Regular assembly-line workers make around 18 Euros/hour before tax at BMW, VW, Audi, etc... Last edited by ft1338; 03-07-2013 at 09:37 AM.. |
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03-07-2013, 09:37 AM | #36 | |
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A new a lot of factory workers and they made over 100k per year with OT. They counted on it. Most of them lived in nice houses, had 40g bass boats, and lots had Corvettes in the garage too. They were definitely overpaid and when you account for the healthcare that they used after retirement, given poor health, I am sure they were very expensive. Back to the ATS... What percentage is made by UAW workers? Assembled is one thing, but what % of the parts? My dad, a GM designer, always blamed part outsourcing to Mexico in the late 80s early 90s for the decline in quality of GM products. Later it was outsourcing to Canada and now I am sure India/Asia. In either case, non union employees I would believe. My point is, sure the UAW has a fair portion of the blame, but they can only assemble the parts they are given too. Right? |
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So with the crazy figure of $150k a year total comp: Total comp: $150k - employer taxes of $75k = Gross salary: $75k Or in EUR: 57,648 This would be a high income by European standards. The truth is that, the actual income of a factory worker in Germany is around 25k gross or 18 EUR/hour, and yes they still have to pay income tax. To me the poster above and the Forbes article have an agenda of legitimization of the UAW actions and trying to pass them off as merely keeping up with their European counterparts, when in fact they are the most well paid factory workers in the WORLD and that's not stopping them from whining any occasion they got. But like I said the UAW is actually a fair, gentle and caring organization when compared to the evil CGT in France. These guys will actually sabotage and burn their factories and kidnap the plant manager with no action whatsoever from law enforcement, justice or politicians. Actually this is encouraged. |
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Don't ya'll basically have 3 hour work days over there? Last edited by bimmerjph; 03-07-2013 at 02:37 PM.. |
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Also, just some quick math, you mentioned 18/hour being 25k. It's actually over 36k, assuming they work 40 hours a week. Maybe you meant part time workers? Regardless, it's neither here nor there, just trying to point out facts. Not a fan of unions in general because many have turned too greedy and willing to strike/protest when they are better paid by a large margin when compared to their non union counterparts. But let's not get on that discussion... |
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Haha, yeah, lots of clowning around this topic these days, but I would say that in some union trades this is the case more or less.
Thankfully unions represent a minority in France but a very vocal, visible and politically connected minority. This is in sharp contrast with unions in Germany which still mean something. Anyway I don't give a crap I took political refuge in the US a while back. lol. |
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Come on let's not let math get in the way of a good argument... Haha yes you're right I had a brain fart. Still 18 Euros an hour is hardly comparable to what our union friends are making.
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