[nickcuprar]

I'm waiting to see how the border issues with Ireland and NI turn out.

We will never leave.

[MarkG_M5Comp]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Terry. I've done you a terrible injustice. How can I ever make it up to you?
Can you ever forgive old Lobb?

I don't have the energy...

But then again, this post made it worthwhile - Lobb 'almost' apologising.



I've already secured a place in our Dutch or Belgian office in my current role and have eyes on my next role circa 2019/20 in California

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

So those European agencies moving may be 'only' a thousand or so jobs.

What about 40,000 hi-tech jobs in an industry worth £14 billion to the economy?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42065836

Isn't that a good example of why some people voted for Brexit? A protectionist racket!

[Cero ceto]

No we wern’t. Get over it and get behind them, otherwise we will get a shit deal!

[Herr Dreier]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

Btw working on a farm in Lincolnshire was TouringPleb's first job when he was 15! Packing cabbages!

Wow - how things improve. Now you're nicking cabbages

[Ajs_435d]

None of them really know the score for and against, they both made things up they are as bad as each other. I've said it before and say it again the EU want others to be discouraged.

What I do know for sure, is as far as global trade the EU is very small in the global picture and it would be naive to put all your eggs in this basket, people are afraid of change.

I hate the targeting of Europeans Polish etc etc, these are the people that are more likely to integrate and not impose their own ways/religions unlike others!

[Mr Whippy]

I'm all for the EU if Westminster disbands and local governments work directly with Brussels, and Brussels reforms the entire government away from one where unelected (by the populace) officials act as executives.

Since that won't happen, you'd have to be bonkers to pay for two toe-stepping, farcical, out of touch, borderline dictatorial governments.

The one in Westminster is enough, and at least we can pull their ears via our locally elected MPs.
Euro MPs are about 4x less numerous per voter iirc. That's not ideal.


Since the EU gov is about as opaque as they come, and too much power is concentrated in unelected representatives, and just look at what the Troika did in Greece, AND how Italy, Spain and others are struggling in the EZ... you'd have to really like the idea of being ruled by borderline dictators who run a scheme of perpetual failures.


The UK gov isn't perfect, but the EU politicos are an even bigger joke.

[Mr Whippy]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Isn't that a good example of why some people voted for Brexit? A protectionist racket!

This is the EU gps.

And who pays a net positive contribution to the EU so they can spend money on an EU gps?

It's just our money coming back to create jobs making something we don't really need.

Put 40,000 people into work building all the proposed roads we abandoned in the 80s, the absence of which means increased pollution and commuting costs and reduced commercial and industrial efficiency.
Simply burning away money which could be spent on productive economic activity.

But no. Gps. We need more accurate gps. At huge cost. Yes great, but fix the fundamentals first!

[Wills2]

Whilst I voted to remain, the bed wetting from re-moaners about the result is very embarrassing.

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by Ajs_435d

What I do know for sure, is as far as global trade the EU is very small in the global picture and it would be naive to put all your eggs in this basket, people are afraid of change.

But not as small as the UK is on its own. This will have an impact on both our political status in the world, and any trade deals which we are able to make.

I don't hold much faith in arriving at the bountiful promised land which some leave voters claim exists, but for the sake of us all I dearly hope to be proven wrong.

It appears to me we're all very much being taken for a ride by the media and political elite who are so keen for us to exit the EU to feather their own nests. It's the only rationale I can come up with for the ridiculous 'will of the people' nonsense which seems to have declared not leaving the EU as a thought crime.

I find it very strange that people claim to care about democracy whilst telling people they have no right to disagree and must 'get on board' with Brexit rather than continue to disagree...

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by TimMcC

But not as small as the UK is on its own. This will have an impact on both our political status in the world, and any trade deals which we are able to make.

I'd have more empathy with that argument if the EU had a track record of securing trade deals; however, they've been pretty unsuccessful in that regard!

Originally Posted by TimMcC

It appears to me we're all very much being taken for a ride by the media and political elite who are so keen for us to exit the EU to feather their own nests. It's the only rationale I can come up with for the ridiculous 'will of the people' nonsense which seems to have declared not leaving the EU as a thought crime.

To be honest I don't think a majority of our politicians support Brexit and MP's probably regret the day they agreed to give us a referendum on the issue (and actually I don't think they should have done as most - including me - probably weren't well enough informed to vote!). Therefore, far from being keen to exit the EU, I think most MP's would be more than happy to stop the process and for that reason I'm still not convinced we'll actually leave.

Originally Posted by TimMcC

I find it very strange that people claim to care about democracy whilst telling people they have no right to disagree and must 'get on board' with Brexit rather than continue to disagree...

I agree and, picking-up on my point above, I actually think any MP who truly believes the decision to leave is wrong should vote accordingly on Brexit motions in the House of Commons. They are after all meant to be representatives not delegates and if, with the benefit of greater information, they decide not to support Brexit they're arguably doing their job. It is then up to their constituents to back them or sack them at the next election.

[Edinburra]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

I'm all for the EU if Westminster disbands and local governments work directly with Brussels, and Brussels reforms the entire government away from one where unelected (by the populace) officials act as executives.

Since that won't happen, you'd have to be bonkers to pay for two toe-stepping, farcical, out of touch, borderline dictatorial governments.

The one in Westminster is enough, and at least we can pull their ears via our locally elected MPs.
Euro MPs are about 4x less numerous per voter iirc. That's not ideal.


Since the EU gov is about as opaque as they come, and too much power is concentrated in unelected representatives, and just look at what the Troika did in Greece, AND how Italy, Spain and others are struggling in the EZ... you'd have to really like the idea of being ruled by borderline dictators who run a scheme of perpetual failures.


The UK gov isn't perfect, but the EU politicos are an even bigger joke.

My point as yours, too much Government, we don't need so many levels. Two are more than adequate.
1) good quality local government
2) good quality national Government

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by Lobb

The vast majority of the"political elite" wanted us to remain in the EU!

+1

[Alscoob]

Originally Posted by Lobb

17.4 million "idiots" in the UK

Yes!

[JD6]

Does Gary sound familiar? Lobb

[TimMcC]

Originally Posted by Lobb

The vast majority of the"political elite" wanted us to remain in the EU!

That is the tale, yes. However both parties are behaving very strangely in my view around how Brexit is discussed externally, but also in the degree to which MPs are being whipped to vote in particular ways in a very undemocratic fashion.

I'm not sure why this behaviour would be exhibited if there wasn't a strong desire by the top 1% of society (some of which are or control the political elite) to manipulate the country into Brexit for their own gains.

[mikeoz]

Well the latest Brexit news is the EU commission has told 5 UK cities they can't participate in the Euro city of culture. Despite Norway and Iceland participating in the past...both of which are not in the EU.
They waited until after they had submitted there bids and spent a load of money to tell them this..

Well if we ever did have another vote I can see many votes going towards the EU from those cities.

[TouringPleb]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Well the latest Brexit news is the EU commission has told 5 UK cities they can't participate in the Euro city of culture. Despite Norway and Iceland participating in the past...both of which are not in the EU.
They waited until after they had submitted there bids and spent a load of money to tell them this..

Well if we ever did have another vote I can see many votes going towards the EU from those cities.

Just petty isn't it.

[mikeoz]

Well yes seems so.
But the other point is it was a pre arranged agreement apparently for 2023 ..I think .
Which they have now reneged on but during these negotiations they have made a point of wanting us to honour things we have agreed way in to the future and pay them for it...does not seem to go both ways....

[AndrewP_UK]

Originally Posted by TouringPleb

Just petty isn't it.

Nope, shouldn’t be a surprise. Non EU members have always been eligible to apply if they were either part of the EEA, EFTA or were part of an EU application process. Norway is in the EEA, Iceland is part of the EFTA.

[vadimo]

please No chlorinated chicken!

[hudson012003]

A 335d is a better car than the 340i fact lol...[/QUOTE]

Really??